Former truther here.....please don't eat me

MaGZ said:
But I’m still here fighting for the truth and in time I will be vindicated.
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So when do you think that'll be? 2 years? 10 years?

And what will happen to prove your theory?
 
MaGZ said:
This is because the Holocaust is a taboo subject.

Which would be more outrageous to you, someone doubting the story of the Holocaust or the divinity of Jesus Christ?
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The Holocaust because of the evidence that proves it happened whereas the divinity of Christ is a matter of faith.

What's more outrageous to you, A Black man marrying a decendant of Adolf Eichmann, or Ron Jeremy (born Ron Jeremy Hyatt to an upper middle class Jewish family) "performing" with thousands of "WASP" women?
 
MaGZ said:
Which would be more outrageous to you, someone doubting the story of the Holocaust or the divinity of Jesus Christ?
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You do realize an awful lot of us here are atheists, right? You do realize atheists doubt the divinity of Jesus almost by definition, right?


:rolleyes:
 
CHF said:
So when do you think that'll be? 2 years? 10 years?

And what will happen to prove your theory?
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Hard to say.
Journalists are in a freeze mode right now. Only major journalists from papers like The Village Voice or on news programs like "60 Minutes" will make headway in answering the remaining questions of 9/11. This will begin to happen when the war ends in Iraq and the passing of the Bush Administration. I don’t expect sudden revelations, but a gradual release of new information from bold journalists who are currently sitting on important stories.
 
Is Magz saying that denying the divinity of Christ is more outrageous than denying the Holocaust? If so, he is pretty weird.
 
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MaGZ said:
Hard to say.
Journalists are in a freeze mode right now. Only major journalists from papers like The Village Voice or on news programs like "60 Minutes" will make headway in answering the remaining questions of 9/11. This will begin to happen when the war ends in Iraq and the passing of the Bush Administration. I don’t expect sudden revelations, but a gradual release of new information from bold journalists who are currently sitting on important stories.
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Such a big conspiracy like 9/11 would take along time because more people are helping keep it secret. That is why the Watergate conspiracy only took 2 years to break up, only a few people were in on Watergate, not enough to keep it a secret.
 
Brainache said:
Is Magz saying that denying the divinity of Christ is more outrageous than denying the Holocaust? If so, he is pretty weird.
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No.

The point is: to some both are sacred symbols.
In the past if you doubted JC you would be burned at the stake. Doubt the Holocaust today, you spend several years in prison.
 
MaGZ said:
No.

The point is: to some both are sacred symbols.
In the past if you doubted JC you would be burned at the stake.
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Maybe in Europe, but not elsewhere in the world.

Doubt the Holocaust today, you spend several years in prison.
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Not in my country you wouldn't. You are just looked upon as reality-denying racist scum. It has is only 'sacred' in the sense that the world mostly doesn't like giving Neo-Nazis much leeway to spread their nonsense and hatred.
 
MaGZ said:
No.

The point is: to some both are sacred symbols.
In the past if you doubted JC you would be burned at the stake. Doubt the Holocaust today, you spend several years in prison.
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In the past if you stole a loaf of bread or picked a Gentleman's pocket you could be flogged and sent to the colonies.

Go ahead doubt the Holocaust all you like, it won't prove anything except that you are some kind of NAZI. Start inciting hatred against a particular race or religion and I think you probably deserve whatever the legal system can throw at you.
 
CurtC said:
So you're this jdhammer? Welcome.

It takes huevos to evaluate your position honestly, change your mind, and admit you were wrong. I kind of envy that.
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Interesting. On the marking of U.S. bills to spread the word on the lies of the LooseChange videos.

Technically illegal and the Secret Service would have eventually put a stop to it.

Viral marketing indeed. Good you're away from LC, jdhammer. They really can make you sick.
 
Howdy JDHammer. I'm new here too, and the place seems pretty comfortable. I wouldn't worry about your journey into the CT movement, on the surface some of their claims can be pretty compelling, and exciting to wonder about.

Cheers,
TGHO
 
This thread makes me wish this forum had an option to ignore messages that quote someone on your ignore list.
 
ConspiRaider said:
Technically illegal and the Secret Service would have eventually put a stop to it.
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If I understand it, defacing money is not itself illegal. It's defacing with intent to defraud that's illegal. Like trying to make a 1 look like a 10, or some such thing.

Not that that would work anywhere but in the US, mind you :)
 
Miragememories said:
The collapse of WTC7 goes beyond any explanation the NYFD made.
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MM, can you explain further please? The NYFD and NYPD both were very concerned the building would come down, how did its collapse "go beyond any explanation the NYFD made"?


Miragememories said:
WTC7 collapsed symmetrically at freefall speed virtually into it's own footprint..not one firefighter was quoted as expecting that!

MM
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This is pretty much false. WTC7 did not collapse symmetrically into its own footprint. Debris and components were scattered all over the place. Stuff went everywhere! Since it did not collapse into its own footprint, of course no firefighter would say that's what they expected!

Miragememories said:
I know LC has it's fill of a**holes. Keep in mind that anyone, any age, any background..whatever, can join these forums. Don't think that JREF is utopia because it's not, the attitude here is far uglier than anything I've seen at LC.
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When I signed up for the JREF forums, there were no questions requiring me to supply background, education level, skin colour, religion, etc., etc.

And I'd like you to offer evidence to back up your claim of "the attitude here is far uglier than anything I've seen at LC".


Miragememories said:
Regarding WTC7. I don't obsess on Silverstein's remarks. But, if you have doubts about Silverstein, don't expect any support here. There is much more to support the case that WTC7 wasn't a natural occurence as a result of fire and debris damage. My point is, JREF diehards are so close-minded you won't ever seem them express a doubt, because they fear being ostracized by the group. I hope you are comfortable with that level of bigotry?

MM
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If you have doubts about Silverstein, then offer some evidence to support your doubts. If you have doubts about the collapse of WTC7, then offer some evidence to support your doubts.

It's all fine and good to have an opinion about an event. An opinion is a personal, internal view, and can rest entirely upon faith. That's completely acceptable. But when you try to migrate an opinion from one individual to another, you need to be able to back it up with evidence.

As for being ostracised and suffering from bigotry, again, I ask you to present evidence.

Cheers,
TGHO
 
Horatius said:
If I understand it, defacing money is not itself illegal. It's defacing with intent to defraud that's illegal. Like trying to make a 1 look like a 10, or some such thing.

Not that that would work anywhere but in the US, mind you :)
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Technically they can get you for it. It's just not enforced very strenuously. The Secret Service has other problems more pressing: Such as counterfeiting.

It is defacing the currency, and consider this: If everyone decided to write their own little cutesy messages on every currency bill they had, then eventually the bills would become unreadable, damaged, whatever. The Secret Service doesn't get serious about this, because it's not a big problem. But they could.
 
and if money gets over-defaced, you can't use it in other countries because they wont exchange it.
 
MaGZ said:
But I’m still here fighting for the truth and in time I will be vindicated.
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No, you're still here being an ignoramus.

Heck, I proved you wrong on the missile thing too. And then, just for good measure, new footage showing the same area and NO CRATER just put the final nail in your credibility coffin.

Yeah, you'll be vindicated.. Right.

Anyway, let us know when you get some game... cuz right now all you got is hot air.
 
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