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The HST has the CRSS attach array for look down capability, but not lensed through the HUDF or any other look out mod. Feed comes from HST and NASA to all contractors who work in visual areas of docs.

HST cannot and does not live feed to earth, publicly. It cannot discern objects on earth in clear resolution without ground based software-hardware to do so. It does rely on KH-11 through DoD when non streaked images are required.

Please read and consult here:

http://hubble.nasa.gov/overview/faq.php


What you have said makes no sense. The Hubble telescope does not have a commericial remote sensing system attached to it. It does not look down on earth. It does not rely on a "Crystal" or "Big Bird" satellite to resolve images. The link that you provided does not support what you said. Instead, that link offers the quote that I previously posted about the Hubble being unable to focus on earth-based objects.

RAMS, I'm sorry but I have to ask this: Are you bipolar?
 
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Robert:

Let me see if I am understanding this correctly.

You are in contact with a party or parties who have been slandered/libeled/defamed by the Truth movement or someone in it, and this party has authorized you to proceed with an action against the leading figures in the Truth movement who are responsible for this slander/libel/defamation?

I'm not a lawyer, nor do I even play one on TV. I just want to be sure that I understand what you're trying to accomplish here.

I, like many others here, was touched by tragedy that day, and the spectacle of Truthers attempting to make money off the deaths of 3,000 people, one of whom was a close friend of mine, sickens me. I support the principle of what you're trying to do. I'm not sure if you're going about it in the best way, but I believe that your intentions are honorable.
 
What you have said makes no sense. The Hubble telescope does not have a commericial remote sensing system attached to it. It does not look down on earth. It does not rely on a "Crystal" or "Big Bird" satellite to resolve images. The link that you provided does not support what you said. Instead, that link offers the quote that I previously posted about the Hubble being unable to focus on earth-based objects.

RAMS, I'm sorry but I have to ask this: Are you bipolar?

Yes, I am extremely bi-polar. That is why I can do what I do for a living.

I believe you did not read my post or the link through completely.

Are you alright?

RAMS
 
Robert:

Let me see if I am understanding this correctly.

You are in contact with a party or parties who have been slandered/libeled/defamed by the Truth movement or someone in it, and this party has authorized you to proceed with an action against the leading figures in the Truth movement who are responsible for this slander/libel/defamation?

I'm not a lawyer, nor do I even play one on TV. I just want to be sure that I understand what you're trying to accomplish here.

I, like many others here, was touched by tragedy that day, and the spectacle of Truthers attempting to make money off the deaths of 3,000 people, one of whom was a close friend of mine, sickens me. I support the principle of what you're trying to do. I'm not sure if you're going about it in the best way, but I believe that your intentions are honorable.


Precisely as you have described. You are correct. The motivation is what I did to Strange 1 for what it espoused with venim at NASA, for which I took issue with and went from there.

Much as the 911 Conspiracy (I have extreme difficulty using the moniker 'Truthies' for this bunch) movement with 911 day, without mincing words, is and has, accused FDNY and other organizations of abetting wholesale murder.

My intentions are honorable.

I put my tail on the line for NASA for $60,000,000 under the same like auspices.

Thank you

RAMS
 
Sorry, I did not see this post for responding too.

I'm not sure how to answer this post.

Yes, categorically, those within Strange 2 will most surely reap what they have sewn. As well they should.

I am understanding by your posts on this subject that you are quite anxious to join with me and those that are as outraged as myself. Against others in the 911 conspiracy ilk and the slanderous lies they propagate. I would be honored to include you.

RAMS
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I wish you good luck RAMS.

PS: RAMS is not a 911 truther he is a believer.
 
ut oh. This is one peculiar thread.

Shouldn't actual lawyers be involved? And the correspondence be with certified or registered return receipt mail and not e-mail? and wont posting all this... um.. stuff on message boards complicate the case? with all due respect. are you feeling well? Are you sure you have permission from the parties to do this? I thought only the parties themselves can represent themselves and an outside party cannot practice law?
 
Both sides can be seen as "believers", the only difference is in what is believed.

TAM:)

Yep, I suppose you are right. I think we can agree not to score points on this tragic situation/thread.

PS: So this will be my last contribution.
 
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Well, Godspeed to you then, Robert. Again, while some may question your methods, none should question your motives.



Most kind, thank you.

The method worked with Bell and Co. verses the onslaught at the time against NASA, space, et al;

Bell was dropped by his sponsor, twice.
C2C dropped 56% in ratings.
C2C was dropped 67% overall in the 2 year period following for listeners.
Bell went off air.
Over 100 UFO-'Strange' websites went away.
Over 90 UFO based conspiracy forums went away.
Assault on NASA conspiracy-moon landing forums dropped by 100% to barely anything for nearly 2 years.

Fun stuff.

We will see what the folks against Strange 2 do with this bunch, now that they have a definable moral reason to do so. Defense with facts gets old quickly when the responder cannot even formulate a complete thought, let alone acknowledge error.



RAMS
 
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I categorically wish no confusion in your preceptions of my intent.

I was teasing a little about the gushing invite and such. Please inquire as needed, what with my chronic bi-polar issues and such......haha

RAMS
 
Shouldn't actual lawyers be involved? And the correspondence be with certified or registered return receipt mail and not e-mail? and wont posting all this... um.. stuff on message boards complicate the case? with all due respect. are you feeling well? Are you sure you have permission from the parties to do this? I thought only the parties themselves can represent themselves and an outside party cannot practice law?

Yes.

This is just beginning and nothing filed in court as yet. That would be up to those so involved as this entrains forward, as far as public data on filing.

My statements are that which is intended.

RAMS
 
I wish you good luck RAMS.

PS: RAMS is not a 911 truther he is a believer.

I am a 100% dissenter against anything and everything involved with Strange 2. And there is nothing of 'truth' within the truth movement concerning 911 that I can surmise as yet.

RAMS
 
It's difficult to watch this... but I have to count myself on the side of those whose sensors are going off...

RAMS seems to have good intentions- seems to be concerned and determined- actually, I would say that's not really in question. What I have a hard time understanding is how this is productive... how this will help anything. I'm not against all lawsuits- just ones that are unnecessary or unspecific. Pegging "some people" against "other people" seems a bit too silly, to me.

The extra effort to sound... legal... just doesn't fit right. Perhaps RAMS is just taking his interest a bit too far.

I think efforts are better spent leaving the litigation to the lawyers and the debate to the debaters- the court of public opinion is where we reside, and I don't think the jury would look too kindly on an over-reaching lawsuit aimed at how people think- regardless of what the intentions of this suit would be.

The "truth movement" certainly has done wrong- they have certainly offended and been callous and stupid and hurtful- some have been downright violent and dangerous... but the vast majority of them just don't get it. Rounding them up in to court will not change that- and if you think that making an effort to legally silence them will change that- you're going to be making a very big- and very dangerous mistake.

Unlike proving that Jesus doesn't exist in court- when the conspiracists lose (and they will predict that they will)- the court will simply be enveloped into the conspiracy- of course they lost, and of course that just means they're right... Try to silence them by force, and you only play into their fantasies.

And, personally- I have serious issues with bringing people into court because they believe- no matter what that belief is. Issues of the mind should not be the concern of the court, the government, or anyone else. People have a right to be stupid, and you simply cannot force individuals into belief; attempting to do so only strengthens their resolve.

Those individuals which have been personally threatened or personally damaged by slander or libel from any individual no matter what "Strange" they belong to should seek the advice of an attorney- not the other way around.
 
It's difficult to watch this... but I have to count myself on the side of those whose sensors are going off...

RAMS seems to have good intentions- seems to be concerned and determined- actually, I would say that's not really in question. What I have a hard time understanding is how this is productive... how this will help anything. I'm not against all lawsuits- just ones that are unnecessary or unspecific. Pegging "some people" against "other people" seems a bit too silly, to me.

The extra effort to sound... legal... just doesn't fit right. Perhaps RAMS is just taking his interest a bit too far.

I think efforts are better spent leaving the litigation to the lawyers and the debate to the debaters- the court of public opinion is where we reside, and I don't think the jury would look too kindly on an over-reaching lawsuit aimed at how people think- regardless of what the intentions of this suit would be.

The "truth movement" certainly has done wrong- they have certainly offended and been callous and stupid and hurtful- some have been downright violent and dangerous... but the vast majority of them just don't get it. Rounding them up in to court will not change that- and if you think that making an effort to legally silence them will change that- you're going to be making a very big- and very dangerous mistake.

Unlike proving that Jesus doesn't exist in court- when the conspiracists lose (and they will predict that they will)- the court will simply be enveloped into the conspiracy- of course they lost, and of course that just means they're right... Try to silence them by force, and you only play into their fantasies.

And, personally- I have serious issues with bringing people into court because they believe- no matter what that belief is. Issues of the mind should not be the concern of the court, the government, or anyone else. People have a right to be stupid, and you simply cannot force individuals into belief; attempting to do so only strengthens their resolve.

Those individuals which have been personally threatened or personally damaged by slander or libel from any individual no matter what "Strange" they belong to should seek the advice of an attorney- not the other way around.

Agreed. And Robert has agreed on another thread to lay off the threats of legal action, etc. There is nothing wrong with calling out members of the "truth" movement on their repeated lies, but it is quite another thing to purport to act on behalf of those libelled or slandered when one hasn't the standing or authority to do so, etc.

I also agree with you that it appears that his heart may be in the right place and that his intentions may be good. It's the execution that I take issue with, and that appears to be resolved now in light of the three posts I cited above, assuming that he does lay off as he says he will.

As you said, the litigation is best left to the lawyers and the debate best left to the debaters (although the two are not always mutually exclusive, of course :))
 
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IMDb does not list a Robert Stephens in the credits of either "Independence Day" or "Alien 3." There is a Robert Stephens listed as a standby painter for the 1991 movie "For the Boys" and another Robert Stephens listed as a model maker for the movie "Turbulence."


To be fair IMDB should not be used to determine crew on films. Their lists are incomplete to say the very least. I only appear listed on two films on IMDB - there's a lot of films I have worked on which don't mention me.

One of the films I worked on lists only 46 crew members, despite have a main unit on-set crew bigger than this.

-Gumboot
 
It's difficult to watch this... but I have to count myself on the side of those whose sensors are going off...

RAMS seems to have good intentions- seems to be concerned and determined- actually, I would say that's not really in question. What I have a hard time understanding is how this is productive... how this will help anything. I'm not against all lawsuits- just ones that are unnecessary or unspecific. Pegging "some people" against "other people" seems a bit too silly, to me.

The extra effort to sound... legal... just doesn't fit right. Perhaps RAMS is just taking his interest a bit too far.

I think efforts are better spent leaving the litigation to the lawyers and the debate to the debaters- the court of public opinion is where we reside, and I don't think the jury would look too kindly on an over-reaching lawsuit aimed at how people think- regardless of what the intentions of this suit would be.

The "truth movement" certainly has done wrong- they have certainly offended and been callous and stupid and hurtful- some have been downright violent and dangerous... but the vast majority of them just don't get it. Rounding them up in to court will not change that- and if you think that making an effort to legally silence them will change that- you're going to be making a very big- and very dangerous mistake.

Unlike proving that Jesus doesn't exist in court- when the conspiracists lose (and they will predict that they will)- the court will simply be enveloped into the conspiracy- of course they lost, and of course that just means they're right... Try to silence them by force, and you only play into their fantasies.

And, personally- I have serious issues with bringing people into court because they believe- no matter what that belief is. Issues of the mind should not be the concern of the court, the government, or anyone else. People have a right to be stupid, and you simply cannot force individuals into belief; attempting to do so only strengthens their resolve.

Those individuals which have been personally threatened or personally damaged by slander or libel from any individual no matter what "Strange" they belong to should seek the advice of an attorney- not the other way around.



Your post is well timed and most legitimate in questioning.

If you think it through carefully, what is the overall point of the constant bantering with individuals that are not only conspiratory in light of facts proving the opposite, but for what purpose is this 'skeptic' movement.

1000's of posts, most excellent, for what purpose? Has it stemmed the tide of defamatory conspiracy charges?

However, in litigation, if proven sound through defamation, the issue is not damage award, (everyone keeps worrying how the attorneys are paid), per se, but a benchmark that then becomes the same stalwart, immutable, that 'Strange 2' loves to imbue with conspiracy.

As it is, it is 'us' against 'them', without any sort of ramification for such. Just a loose cannon of accusation, that basically is saying, "all parties involved in 911 conspired to kill 3000+ people." That is really the bottom line of fact of the woowoo movement of 911 conspiracy. Our response, since we are reason based, is simply to counter, infinitum. That results in nothing but fuel for them.

But what happens if that is illegal if proven cause is established in 'any' court of law regarding injurious slander. Arm and Hammer just won in that regard and so has many organizations for this sort of thing.

And consider;

There is a lot of FDNY fireman, First Responders, Police, and others who are quite disturbed with LC, the crap on YouTube, Google, S for T, Prison Planet, Rosie, Rense, etc etc. And they are on the net too, and they watch TV, and read forums and they see videos and watch YouTube and they are collectively amazed. And they want to do something in counter wonder to stop the vitriolic assault on their vocation, their lives, their being.

All I have done is what I did as a free agent contractor for NASA, against Strange 1, and what I am and will do with Strange 2. This is not rocket science. It is establishing precedent not to engage to do harm with slander and libel and defamation.

Whatever 'alarms' are going off among anyone herein this forum, escapes me, other than the constant banter with conspirators who delight in assaulting a very unhealed national injury with out and out accusations of murder, techno gibberish and insults. All of which in toto, accomplishes nothing.

That is the issue.

RAMS
 

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