Breaking News! 9/11 Mastermind confesses

jhunter1163 said:
And a significant fraction of those views are probably JREFers looking to tear it to shreds.
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And a very significant fraction of those views are probably the 40 active members of the LCF clicking on it several hundred times each to artificially inflate the numbers, since that's what they do best.
 
Schmitt. said:
They were a response to a SCOTUS finding that the treatment of detainees was unlawful under the Geneva protocols. To fulfill one of the problems, the CSR are used to determine whether a detainee is a POW or illegal enemy combatant. They are unchallenged as of yet.
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I was under the impression that the SCOTUS finding was that the US Government couldn't circumvent the law by inventing their own military court to try the detainees in.

The CSRs are a requirement under the Geneva Conventions.

What I meant was, if someone confesses to something in a CSR, does that testimony have more or less weight than confessing during an interrogation, and does it have more or less weight than confessing during a trial?

Any lawyers?

-Gumboot
 
This is also once again a reminder, that we actually have the real hijackers identified. CT's bring this up all the time, like there is no evidence and their identities are somehow in doubt.


d. A computer hard drive seized during the capture of the detainee contained information about the four airplanes hijacked on 1 1 September 2001 including code names, airline company, flight number, target, pilot name and background information, and names of the hijackers.​

e. A computer hard drive seized during the capture of the detainee contained photographs of 19 individuals identified as the 11 September 2001 hijackers.​

f. A computer hard drive seized during the capture of the detainee contained a document that listed the pilot license fees for Mohammad Atta and biographies for some of the 11 September 2001 hijackers.​

g. A computer hard drive seized during the capture of the detainee contained images of passports and an image of Mohammad Atta.​

 
Maybe he didn't really plan them...and just wanted his name written in history.
 
Axiom_Blade said:
At the risk of sounding like a CTist...

It's frigging Guantanamo Bay. OF COURSE he was tortured! Just because he didn't confess under torture, doesn't mean that he wasn't tortured to confess.

Also:


It sounds like he's confessing to anything and everything.
Confessions don't hold a lot of weight with me.
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He didn't, by chance, happen to confess to killing Vince Foster, did he?
 
gumboot said:
One thing I've always been curious about is the level of knowledge in a big country like the USA.

I mean, does Bush get a phone call one night...

CIA AGENT: Sir, the Pakistanis have captured KSM, they're gonna hand him over, what should we do with him?

BUSH: Well gee, I think we should extradite him to one of our secret CIA camps and torture the [rule8] out of him. After we've done that for a while move him to Gitmo and we'll put him through a show trial.

CIA AGENT: Yes sir!

Or is it more a case of:

AIDE: Sir, we've captured KSM. He's being held in a secure place. You'll be talking to the press in fifteen minutes. Keep it short. Smile a lot.

BUSH: How was he capture? Where? Are we going to put him on trial?

AIDE: Don't worry about all that sir. All in good time.

BUSH: Good work.

For things like this, at what level are decisions made? At what level do people stop deciding what will happen, and simply get informed that it is happening?

President? VP? Director of the CIA?

I guess I'll never know until a former President joins the JREF... :p

-Gumboot
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That varies by administration. Some Presidents, like Carter, were notorious micromanagers. Others, like Reagan, were totally hands-off.
Overall, the hands-off aproach is better, IMHO, because you let the experts do what you pay them to do. But I will (sort of) defend Carter. His Naval training was as a Nuke, and the nuclear program trained people to micro-manage everything. No one could be trusted to do their job unless an officer was breathing down their necks to make sure it was done right. I'm sure this carried over into his leadership style in the White House.
 
JimBenArm said:
That varies by administration. Some Presidents, like Carter, were notorious micromanagers. Others, like Reagan, were totally hands-off.
Overall, the hands-off aproach is better, IMHO, because you let the experts do what you pay them to do. But I will (sort of) defend Carter. His Naval training was as a Nuke, and the nuclear program trained people to micro-manage everything. No one could be trusted to do their job unless an officer was breathing down their necks to make sure it was done right. I'm sure this carried over into his leadership style in the White House.
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Evenso, when you say "micromanage" what are we talking? Does a micromanaging President take an active role in the activities of EVERY SINGLE until in the entire Armed Forces and every single suspect in every single national-level investigation?

I'm not necessarily claiming a President wouldn't want to do that, but I would propose it's actually physically impossible, based on our current understanding of time and space. :)

-Gumboot
 
Hah, its all over the news and will be all over the papers.

Lets hope this kills any CT's.

It wont.
 
Guantanamo Center: unanimously recognised by the UN, Amnesty international to be a major torture center, a shame for the US and Democracy.

If you keep me 5 years in there, I'll also tell you I killed JFK, and I planned the Pearl Harbour attacks....

No seriously, that's a blow for MIHOP theories, but not for LIHOP. Moreover, he confessed being responsible for dozens of attacks etc...

Even if what he says is true (and I believe he played a role in the 9/11) the US has the worse communication strategy ever planned!!:confused:

They could have "pretended" he had a lawyer, or that he has not been tortured. Why not let him defend himself.

Lastly, I love how the US says:

" Al Qaida is responsible for all terrorist attacks!"
" KSM did it from A to Z"

The simplistic vision of the world explains how they screwed (they being mainly the neocons, not Americans in general) up almost everything they had planned. From Somalia to Pakistan, and also Afg, IQ...

Loosers

Busherie
 
busherie said:
Guantanamo Center: unanimously recognised by the UN, Amnesty international to be a major torture center, a shame for the US and Democracy.

If you keep me 5 years in there, I'll also tell you I killed JFK, and I planned the Pearl Harbour attacks....

No seriously, that's a blow for MIHOP theories, but not for LIHOP. Moreover, he confessed being responsible for dozens of attacks etc...

Even if what he says is true (and I believe he played a role in the 9/11) the US has the worse communication strategy ever planned!!:confused:

They could have "pretended" he had a lawyer, or that he has not been tortured. Why not let him defend himself.

Lastly, I love how the US says:

" Al Qaida is responsible for all terrorist attacks!"
" KSM did it from A to Z"

The simplistic vision of the world explains how they screwed (they being mainly the neocons, not Americans in general) up almost everything they had planned. From Somalia to Pakistan, and also Afg, IQ...

Loosers

Busherie
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Have you read the transcript of the hearing? Do you know what it was for?

Don't worry about answering those questions. Your comments above indicate the answer is no for both.

-Gumboot
 
A girl I went to high school with but haven't really known since added me on myspace a while back. Still a nice enough girl it seems, but has totally fallen in with the woo/twoofer crowd.

So when stuff like this happens, I know as soon as I check my myspace account, I'll have a bulletin explaining it.

And of course, I got one. They always seem to be copied 50 times, and are always a link to either prison planet or infowars, etc. Everyone here was 100% spot on: This is obviously just part of the Zionist Conspiracy. (Actual Words)
 
busherie said:
Guantanamo Center: unanimously recognised by the UN, Amnesty international to be a major torture center, a shame for the US and Democracy.

If you keep me 5 years in there, I'll also tell you I killed JFK, and I planned the Pearl Harbour attacks....

No seriously, that's a blow for MIHOP theories, but not for LIHOP. Moreover, he confessed being responsible for dozens of attacks etc...

Even if what he says is true (and I believe he played a role in the 9/11) the US has the worse communication strategy ever planned!!:confused:

They could have "pretended" he had a lawyer, or that he has not been tortured. Why not let him defend himself.

Lastly, I love how the US says:

" Al Qaida is responsible for all terrorist attacks!"
" KSM did it from A to Z"

The simplistic vision of the world explains how they screwed (they being mainly the neocons, not Americans in general) up almost everything they had planned. From Somalia to Pakistan, and also Afg, IQ...

Loosers

Busherie
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I pity you, seriously. Your petty little world has been taken apart. Your childish insults are now simply waves against the shore.
You have lost, your ridiculous movement has hit a brick wall of fact and evidence.

Welcome to history, you are the part that everybody laughs at, the part that everybody says “Hey remember those nutcases who thought it was all an inside job, snigger, snigger"

Keep dreaming, keep spinning. Oh while you are at it why don't you set up a committee to have him released, take to the streets and tell everybody he is innocent and really a good guy. Me? I personally could not care less what happens to this miserable creature. He is a murderer, a cold bloodied, callous mass murderer, of your fellow countrymen.

Go ahead and defend him, I defy you to; I call you and your petty movement out. Show the world your true self, show how you prefer to defend self confessed mass murderers. This movement has already shown it will sink to untold limits to promote its garbage. So I'm sure sinking even lower will be no problem for you.Truth seeker? Don't make me laugh , you neither seek nor care for the truth.
 
Let see after six years of torture and brain washing, we are to believe he did almost every terrorist act in the 2000's.

No wonder true skeptics doubt this ..... and false skeptics believe his confession. The false skeptics want to, and it makes their life more comforatble in what they deem a benign government that loves them.
 
Davidjayjordan said:
Let see after six years of torture and brain washing, we are to believe he did almost every terrorist act in the 2000's.

No wonder true skeptics doubt this ..... and false skeptics believe his confession. The false skeptics want to, and it makes their life more comforatble in what they deem a benign government that loves them.
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So he’s innocent then?
 
stateofgrace said:
So he’s innocent then?
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After all these years, you still believe there are many serious truthers who believe that Al Qaida had nothing to do with 9/11... I wonder in which world YOU live in.

Don't you see this guy's confessions come at a very precise time: when 9/11 has gotten to a next scale?

Obviously the neocons still have two shots: getting or killing OBL, witnessing, allowing ot happen, or staging a new attack in the US.

Is KSM innocent? I think he has something to do with 9/11.

But you're so blind and forgetful of what democracy is:
NO TORTURE, DECENT TRIAL!

How can you forget this?

Wether he's guilty or innocent is as important as basic rules of democracy.

I don't know how much rage you have inside to be so blind and don't even realize that a confessions after spending five years is nothing. I could have written his myself.

So shut down guantanamo, give the suspects a decent trial.

Then you will be able to claim any victory.



Busherie
 
:rolleyes:

My NWO-clearance isn't high enough to know whether Khalid Al-Sheikh Mohammed was tortured or not.

But as has been pointed out before, he confessed to his role in the 9/11-attacks before his arrest. Read here ...
I'm quite sure Khalid Al-Sheikh Mohammed wasn't tortured by Al-Jazeera reporter Yosri Fouda.
 
after all this time, you also forgot that he confessed LONG before his capture (back in april 2002) he wasn't captured until September 2002

so, I wonder how we were torturing him in april.
 
Arus808 said:
after all this time, you also forgot that he confessed LONG before his capture (back in april 2002) he wasn't captured until September 2002

so, I wonder how we were torturing him in april.
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Probably made him read some of busherie's lunacies!
 
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