stateofgrace
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Busherie you are missing the point that I am trying to get across to you. I know wars kill people, everybody knows that people die in wars; this is the very nature of war. I am not even defending this, I am not defending the decision to invade Iraq, this is a matter of another debate and not relevant to this issue.
The issue is was this war part of an on going deliberate act in a long line of acts that were fore planned and thought though. This is why I laboured the point of intent in my last post.
It is my contention and I stand by it that although the war inside Iraq is terrible and has had terrible consequences it was never planned this way. There, IMO was no deliberate and malicious intent on anybodies part for thousands of innocent people to die and the country to slide towards civil war. This war was not started to achieve this, it never was, although this has happened.
It is, from what I read, your contention that this was the case, that the war inside Iraq was deliberately started to further a political agenda and that the deaths of thousands of innocent people was actually part of this. This I disagree with, although I disagree with this war I do not believe it was started as part of an on going deliberate program simply designed to spread death and destruction and totally destabilise the Middle East... yes this has happened but it was not the intention, it was never the intention..
This is the difference with somebody deliberately allowing the terrorist actions of 911 to happen. It would have been intended.
This is why I will not be convinced that somebody deliberately allowed innocent citizens in their own country to be targeted. Because for this to happen it is not simply a case of miscalculating, or simply not seeing the consequences of ones own actions. It is the reverse it is very calculated and a deliberate act. It would have been an act of unparallel evil. To simply sit back and do nothing and knowingly put thousands of innocent lives at risk.
To summarise, the follow events of 911 have , yes have been disastrous not just for the Middle East but for World security in general, but although this has happened it was done though simply misreading and miscalculating the consequences of starting something with unforeseen consequences.
To state that these consequences were deliberately engineered and that somebody, the neocons, would in anyway see this as in their best interest is wrong. then to take it further and suggest that anybody would deliberately allow 3000 of their own to be murdered to start a chain of events which as had nothing short of catastrophic results, which were also engineered is simply wrong, plain and simple.
Is it possible that they did so? Yes of course it is possible but is it plausible? No it is not. Because allowing the targeting of your own citizens and then deliberately spreading death and destruction is in nobody’s interest.
We differ in our opinions but I will condemn any politician, including our own for getting it all wrong, for simply making matters worse. But I will not be party to condemning anybody for deliberately, maliciously and intentionally allowing it all to happen, without absolute proof. To date there is none.
On this I will end because I really have no desire to dragged further and further into a political debate. I have stated my opinion and stand by it
stateofgrace
The issue is was this war part of an on going deliberate act in a long line of acts that were fore planned and thought though. This is why I laboured the point of intent in my last post.
It is my contention and I stand by it that although the war inside Iraq is terrible and has had terrible consequences it was never planned this way. There, IMO was no deliberate and malicious intent on anybodies part for thousands of innocent people to die and the country to slide towards civil war. This war was not started to achieve this, it never was, although this has happened.
It is, from what I read, your contention that this was the case, that the war inside Iraq was deliberately started to further a political agenda and that the deaths of thousands of innocent people was actually part of this. This I disagree with, although I disagree with this war I do not believe it was started as part of an on going deliberate program simply designed to spread death and destruction and totally destabilise the Middle East... yes this has happened but it was not the intention, it was never the intention..
This is the difference with somebody deliberately allowing the terrorist actions of 911 to happen. It would have been intended.
This is why I will not be convinced that somebody deliberately allowed innocent citizens in their own country to be targeted. Because for this to happen it is not simply a case of miscalculating, or simply not seeing the consequences of ones own actions. It is the reverse it is very calculated and a deliberate act. It would have been an act of unparallel evil. To simply sit back and do nothing and knowingly put thousands of innocent lives at risk.
To summarise, the follow events of 911 have , yes have been disastrous not just for the Middle East but for World security in general, but although this has happened it was done though simply misreading and miscalculating the consequences of starting something with unforeseen consequences.
To state that these consequences were deliberately engineered and that somebody, the neocons, would in anyway see this as in their best interest is wrong. then to take it further and suggest that anybody would deliberately allow 3000 of their own to be murdered to start a chain of events which as had nothing short of catastrophic results, which were also engineered is simply wrong, plain and simple.
Is it possible that they did so? Yes of course it is possible but is it plausible? No it is not. Because allowing the targeting of your own citizens and then deliberately spreading death and destruction is in nobody’s interest.
We differ in our opinions but I will condemn any politician, including our own for getting it all wrong, for simply making matters worse. But I will not be party to condemning anybody for deliberately, maliciously and intentionally allowing it all to happen, without absolute proof. To date there is none.
On this I will end because I really have no desire to dragged further and further into a political debate. I have stated my opinion and stand by it
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