The Bible is 100% true and to be read literally

[Taffer]

Whatever we hide in our hearts reflects in our behavior, and our behavior reflects our hearts to the world. If you could see your heart in a mirror, what characteristics would that mirror reflect?

Funny, it sounds like you're calling him immoral. Whatever gave you that idea?

Those 13 cover your religion paul.

Atheism is not a religion, edge.

ETA: Oh, and are you denying any of the thing on the list? If so, please explain why.

 

[EternalSceptic]

Satan's tricks bad, God's tricks good. Check.

Oh, and what is the point of God snaring the proud with his seeming contradictions? Is he trying to send us into the arms of Satan? This God of yours sure practices a tough love.

Taking care that we are not bored here on earth ? *g*

Sorry, could not resist

 

[Taffer]

What I have is faith in Jesus Christ the lord.
I follow no religion.

Wait, I thought you'd read the Christian bible?

It's never to late.

The mans name was Peter Dragon.

Ok, perhaps you missed my original point, edge. I shall try to make you understand ad nauseam.

He was a brilliant inventor and had seven patents for irrigation pumps and systems that have made the valleys of California prosper and produce more food than we need.

So?

He received many awards and was an avid fisherman.

So?

He was brilliant to the end and very coherent.

So?

He was on blood thinners and refused the narcotics

So?

He was exactly like most on this forum in his views on the Christian beliefs.

So?

He was very able minded till the end only his body gave out.

So?

His story, even though short is a legacy to you.

What is this supposed to mean? What does 'his story' have anything to do with the discussion? What does 'his story' have anything to do with me? With anything? Simply put, what is your point?

I can only repeat the story for him now.
Even with all that he had he was missing something.

Any because he was missing something, means what exactly?

Your right not all atheists will have a change of heart not all will be so logical in the end.

Even though I never said they would, I'll still answer this. Why does it matter if an atheist has a change of heart? How does it diminish from his argument?

The other story was about Green eyes son.
I only found out the other night, but it's funny how these things pop up at the right time.

Stories are not evidence. Don't you realise that? Especially ones which have nothing to do with anything, just like these do.

If I tell you a story from my parent I will say that it is from my father or mother I won't lie, because lying goes against my principles. You see I know what’s in my heart.

I'm sure you won't, I give people the benifit of the doubt, but do you honestly not see why stories are evidence?

I also see you've missed my question from the same post you quoted. Would you mind answering it, please?

Tell me something, edge. If I made a hypothesis, which I did not believe to be true, yet fitted all available data, and sustained all attempts to falsify it, and which I then went on to say was wrong, does that mean that the hypothesis is wrong?

 

[Taffer]

That's what happened when he gave us free will.
Unfortunately we were stupid enough to listen to the jealous guy you know the one that tells you what to post.
Otherwise we would be robots and that's as close to creation of a likeness of man that we will probably get to design. Artificial.

I have a few questions for you, edge:

1) How can you distinguish between then illusion of free will and true free will?
2) How can you distinguish between true free will, and complete determinism?
3) How do you know we are not completely deterministic robots?

 

[BillyJoe]

I'd love to correct you, but you're not wrong.

Even when I'm right I get a kick up the backside.

 

[BillyJoe]

First I'm a gentleman, now you're avoiding me?

See above.

 

[BillyJoe]

I have a few questions for you, edge:

1) How can you distinguish between then illusion of free will and true free will?
2) How can you distinguish between true free will, and complete determinism?
3) How do you know we are not completely deterministic robots?

Actually, that is a good set of questions.
Even sceptics get these wrong.
For example, I'm sure Atheist has NO idea.

- surprise me though.

 

[Paulhoff]

I guess in this so-called heaven we have no free-will so we can't F..k-up, so what to we do, sit around for the first billions years looking at god and the same for the second billion years, and the third billions years etc etc etc in a Yul Brynner voice.

Paul



There are suppose to be fallen angels too, so this so-called god can't make and or get anything right.

 

[Paulhoff]

I see, he didn’t write the math equation correctly, 100% should read “.000001 / 100%”, yea, that makes a lot more sense now.

Paul

 

[edge]

I have a few questions for you, edge:

1) How can you distinguish between then illusion of free will and true free will?
2) How can you distinguish between true free will, and complete determinism?
3) How do you know we are not completely deterministic robots?

1) Self-control my choice. You have the true free will of putting your hand in a fire but would you, knowing the consequences? There is no illusion of free will it is a fact. There fore it must be true.

2) Know what God said to do and deter others from doing evil. Complete determinism could lead to insane actions complete deterioration of your spirit.
3) Skeptics are determined not to use their free will wisely by being unfaithful and not choosing the free insurance of the redemption of their souls offered by Christ.

4) We have been given a second chance to fellowship with God the Father and the Son. A robot didn’t create us or we would be machine, automated not capable of reproducing or creating, making any choices. We were made in the image of God capable of creating. A robot wouldn’t be able to understand emotions,feelings of others and loneliness.

5) There would be no reason for a robot to replicate it’s self, it is automated. A robot doesn’t understand but we do. Robots do not have spirit; if a robot deteriorates it’s done. A robot can’t operate on faith knowing that there is something greater than them to rely on. A robot can’t look to his future death. We have an innate desire to praise God with out taking away our free will.

6) There are many meanings to this word, determinism.

 

[edge]

Now let me ask you a question,

Does your child make right choices?

How does God with all his powers look at us in comparison?

Compared with some one that has a capability to create universes, what are we like in comparison?

Would you give your child total free will with out consequences?

 

[edge]

I guess in this so-called heaven we have no free-will so we can't F..k-up, so what to we do, sit around for the first billions years looking at god and the same for the second billion years, and the third billions years etc etc etc in a Yul Brynner voice.

Paul



There are suppose to be fallen angels too, so this so-called god can't make and or get anything right.

Your doing a good job of f***ing up already so I think you need not worry about what takes place there.

 

[Paulhoff]

1) Self-control my choice. You have the true free will of putting your hand in a fire but would you, knowing the consequences? There is no illusion of free will it is a fact. There fore it must be true.

Having consequences is one proof that there is no true free-will, if one's does not kiss up to a so-called god, then one goes to hell, that is not free-will that is tyranny.

2) Know what God said to do and deter others from doing evil. Complete determinism could lead to insane actions complete deterioration of your spirit.

And when did this so-called god say this to you, I hope you have more then one source and or reference, the bible does not count for much on this forum.

3) Skeptics are determined not to use their free will wisely by being unfaithful and not choosing the free insurance of the redemption of their souls offered by Christ.


Christ was not the son of any so-called god. What makes your bible anymore important then any other religious book, because you think it does. Do you think that if you were born into another religion that you would be talking about Jesus as the son of a so-called god.

4) We have been given a second chance to fellowship with God the Father and the Son. A robot didn’t create us or we would be machine, automated not capable of reproducing or creating, making any choices. We were made in the image of God capable of creating. A robot wouldn’t be able to understand emotions,feelings of others and loneliness.

I thought you said that you didn't belong to a religion, sounds a lot like christain talk to me.

5) There would be no reason for a robot to replicate it’s self, it is automated. A robot doesn’t understand but we do. Robots do not have spirit; if a robot deteriorates it’s done. A robot can’t operate on faith knowing that there is something greater than them to rely on. A robot can’t look to his future death. We have an innate desire to praise God with out taking away our free will.

So why does a so-called all-powerful and all-knowing god need praise, sounds a lot like a human too me. I will not get into the robot thing, you sound too limited on your outlook on this.

6) There are many meanings to this word, determinism.

Has there are many meanings tothe word god.

Paul

 

[Paulhoff]

Your doing a good job of f***ing up already so I think you need not worry about what takes place there.

You know everything about this so-called god of yours, sounds like it just came out of your brain and is just what you think it should be, that is because it is only in your brain.

Paul

 

[Paul]

Firstly, please learn to use the quote function, it will help your posts become at least partially comprehensible.

Self-control my choice. You have the true free will of putting your hand in a fire but would you, knowing the consequences?

People do.

There is no illusion of free will it is a fact.

Again, how do you know that?

There fore it must be true.

Nonsense.

Know what God said to do and deter others from doing evil.

If you just do what god said you're not exercising free will, which you said god wants us to do.

Complete determinism could lead to insane actions complete deterioration of your spirit.

How and why?

Skeptics are determined not to use their free will wisely by being unfaithful and not choosing the free insurance of the redemption of their souls offered by Christ.

Because the consequences of every action by every person are already known, how can there be an unwise use of free will?

A robot didn’t create us or we would be machine,

Why?

automated not capable of reproducing or creating,

Why not, machines make things everyday.

making any choices.

Ever hear of artificial intelligence?

We were made in the image of God capable of creating. A robot wouldn’t be able to understand emotions,feelings of others and loneliness.

A lot of people have written much about this very subject, why do you find it impossible?

There would be no reason for a robot to replicate it’s self, it is automated.

Really?

A robot doesn’t understand but we do. Robots do not have spirit; if a robot deteriorates it’s done.

Wait, is that a reason to 'reproduce'?

A robot can’t operate on faith knowing that there is something greater than them to rely on.

What about the robot's creator?

A robot can’t look to his future death.

If it knows it's own nature it certainly can

We have an innate desire to praise God with out

Speak for yourself please.

There are many meanings to this word, determinism.

Really, what are they, apart from the conventional one?

 

[Paul]

blah blah blah children blah blah blah

If I had children, I wouldn't kill them if they did something I didn't like.

 

[Paulhoff]

Second learn the word individuality, and the word color highlighting.

Paul

 

[Paul]

Your doing a good job of f***ing up already so I think you need not worry about what takes place there.

Not much christian spirit evident here.

 

[Foster Zygote]

Now let me ask you a question,

Does your child make right choices?

My child is only two years old so he hardly knows right from wrong yet. But when he's older he will no doubt make some choices that will displease me.

How does God with all his powers look at us in comparison?

I would think that a truly omnipotent, omniscient and infallible being would regard us as little different from bugs. What does this question have to do with your point?

Compared with some one that has a capability to create universes, what are we like in comparison?

Bugs? Again, what does this have to do with God punishing us? Does he like stepping on bugs?

Would you give your child total free will with out consequences?

Of course not. But the consequences of his disobedience of me will not be eternal suffering either. Especially if all he "knows" of my existence and my will is a note I left stuck to the refrigerator before he was born.

You still haven't addressed the issue of a perfect, all knowing god creating something that causes him anger. Using human parent/child relationships is not a valid analogy because human parents are neither perfect or all knowing. And when human parents punish their disobedient children with destruction we call that unjust and immoral.

 

[edge]

Not much christian spirit evident here.

How did you know which word I used or did you take it on faith?
You can't see it?

I used pauls word since he undersands it.
Besides in the context of it, it means messing up, screwing up, but it could have been fudging it up.
How do you know with out faith?