The Bible is 100% true and to be read literally

[Paulhoff]

There is a difference in having faith in the truth and having faith in a religious denomination, or religion.

And how do you defined this “truth”.

Paul

 

[Paul]

What I have is faith in Jesus Christ the lord.
I follow no religion.

Your first problem is that you are in the The Bible is 100% true and to be read literally thread, having some vague, fluffy, faith in jesus thing won't help much.

There is a difference in having faith in the truth and having faith in a religious denomination, or religion.

So you don't believe the bible is true?

Religion is mans manipulation of faith.

Nope, it's the service and worship of God or the supernatural.

What miracles in modern times has Buddha done or any of the other so called Gods?

That includes yours you know.

 

[edge]

Originally Posted by edge
What miracles in modern times has Buddha done or any of the other so called Gods?
This one sentence seems to sum up all the problems one has in discussing religions with "believer" Christians. Buddha is not a "god" and anyway he has done exactly the same number of "miracles in modern times" that Jesus Christ has; exacly zero.

Ok I’ll bite, prove it!

I’m willing to bet that there are at least one million stories like the one that I posted.

Just because I’m a believer doesn’t mean that I’m not skeptical.
I’ll prove to you that I’m skeptical.
I’m skeptical that no other religion has ever demonstrated the miracles or answers to prayer like the Christian faith has recorded in the past or the present.

Now I’m skeptical that you will ask yourself why that is because I think you’ll dodge the question with a question.
The Buddha wasn’t the only one and Knish was proved to be a hoax by the skeptics and believers so we will leave that one out.

I know you are under a lot of pear pressure in here to be what they want you to be but go ahead.


I’m skeptical of Silvia having any powers other than deception.

I’m skeptical that ufos are aliens from another planet.
The bible tells me what they are.

I can go on and on.

And how do you defined this “truth”.

Paul

Genuineness.


Paul,
Like I said earlier there are inconstancies and this is the exact reason for Jesus.
Wiping the slate clean.
Because man messed things up and couldn't do it right.
God had to simplify it be cause we fall short.

The Bible is as true as it can be.

 

[Paulhoff]

Magical thinking knows no bounds, and when it comes to religion, they always point to others that don’t get it about god and never point to themselves.

Paul

 

[Paulhoff]

Because man messed things up and couldn't do it right.
God had to simplify it be cause we fall short.

So this so-called god can't make man without man having faults, so what makes you think that this so-called god can get anything else right, seems that everthing this so-called god does goes to crap and gets him all pissed off.

Paul

 

[edge]

That's what happened when he gave us free will.
Unfortunately we were stupid enough to listen to the jealous guy you know the one that tells you what to post.
Otherwise we would be robots and that's as close to creation of a likeness of man that we will probably get to design. Artificial.

 

[BillyJoe]

Otherwise we would be robots and that's as close to creation of a likeness of man that we will probably get to design.

Man created God, and in his image created he Him

- Ian Anderson

 

[Meadmaker]

Originally Posted by edge
What miracles in modern times has Buddha done or any of the other so called Gods?

For what it's worth, Buddha (properly, The Buddha) never claimed to be a god, nor to be sent by a god, nor to be inspired by a god. The Buddha claimed to be a man. Period. No god necessary.

 

[Paul]

Ok I’ll bite, prove it!

That's not how it works, anyone claiming a miracle has to prove it.

I’m willing to bet that there are at least one million stories like the one that I posted.

What if there are, what does it prove?

Just because I’m a believer doesn’t mean that I’m not skeptical.

It does if you exclude your faith from sceptical thinking.

I’m skeptical that no other religion has ever demonstrated the miracles or answers to prayer like the Christian faith has recorded in the past or the present.

That doesn't prove you're a sceptic, it does prove you're a Christian dogmatic. Besides, I though you followed no religion.

Now I’m skeptical that you will ask yourself why that is because I think you’ll dodge the question with a question.

Yes, what question?

I know you are under a lot of pear pressure in here to be what they want you to be but go ahead.

We're not the ones refusing to question or making excuses.

I’m skeptical that ufos are aliens from another planet.
The bible tells me what they are.

Really, what does the bible say UFOs are?

I can go on and on.

And you do.

Like I said earlier there are inconstancies and this is the exact reason for Jesus.
Wiping the slate clean.
Because man messed things up and couldn't do it right.
God had to simplify it be cause we fall short.

That excuse just makes god incompetent and spiteful.

The Bible is as true as it can be.

That means nothing.

 

[Paul]

That's what happened when he gave us free will.

Which he knew would happen.

Unfortunately we were stupid enough

Well, we didn't design ourselves did we?

to listen to the jealous guy you know the one that tells you what to post.

John Lennon doesn't tell me what to write, he just moans about Paul and Yoko.

Otherwise we would be robots and that's as close to creation of a likeness of man that we will probably get to design. Artificial.

Do you think we will program the robots not to do the opposite of what we tell them?

 

[Foster Zygote]

This one sentence seems to sum up all the problems one has in discussing religions with "believer" Christians. Buddha is not a "god" and anyway he has done exactly the same number of "miracles in modern times" that Jesus Christ has; exacly zero.

Not so. According to Pat Robertson Jesus has killed an awful lot of people in recent years for pi**ing him off. He sent the tsunami to drown all those families for not seeing that he was the true god, he flooded New Orleans for not running the gay people out of town etc.

 

[Foster Zygote]

For what it's worth, Buddha (properly, The Buddha) never claimed to be a god, nor to be sent by a god, nor to be inspired by a god. The Buddha claimed to be a man. Period. No god necessary.

In fact, as I understand it, one can be a perfectly good Buddhist and also be an atheist.

 

[BillyJoe]

In fact, correct me if I'm wrong, a Buddhist IS an atheist.
Reincarnation isn't it; no god, heaven or hell.

 

[Foster Zygote]

Ok I’ll bite, prove it!

You've got that backward, actually. You're the one making extraordinary claims about miracles, the burden of proof falls upon you to provide evidence of such supernatural suspensions of the laws of nature. It's not up to skeptics to "prove" that miracles don't happen. The total lack of confirmed miracles speaks for itself. It is up to those who claim miracles occur to provide evidence.

I’m willing to bet that there are at least one million stories like the one that I posted.

I'm also sure that there are many millions of anecdotal stories of miracles related by followers of every religion that you claim to be false. The Babylonians, Syrians, Egyptians, Greeks, Romans, Mayans, Pagans, etc. etc. etc. all told stories of miracles performed by their gods. Even today, other faiths like Hinduism and Islam speak of miracles. But anecdotal stories are not hard evidence.

Just because I’m a believer doesn’t mean that I’m not skeptical.
I’ll prove to you that I’m skeptical.
I’m skeptical that no other religion has ever demonstrated the miracles or answers to prayer like the Christian faith has recorded in the past or the present.

If you were really skeptical you would apply the same doubtful scrutiny to your own faith as well. But you're right, no other religion has demonstrated the miracles or answers to prayer that Christianity has recorded. But Christianity has not demonstrated its recorded miracles either. The miracles recorded in the Bible are no more evidential than the miracles recorded in the Baghavad Ghita.

Now I’m skeptical that you will ask yourself why that is because I think you’ll dodge the question with a question.

I'm sure Gord can do quite well for himself in response to this accusation. As for myself: I did ask myself that same question (or a variant of it) many years ago when I was a Christian trying to plug the numerous holes in the teachings of my faith. But the answer that I got was that no religion, including Christianity, had ever demonstrated a genuine miracle.

The Buddha wasn’t the only one and Knish was proved to be a hoax by the skeptics and believers so we will leave that one out.

Could you state this more coherently? I'm not sure what your point is.

I know you are under a lot of pear pressure in here to be what they want you to be but go ahead.

Pressure from whom, the United Fruit Company? Gord, have you been trying to unionize the field hands again?

I’m skeptical of Silvia having any powers other than deception.

Well, that's a start.

I’m skeptical that ufos are aliens from another planet.
The bible tells me what they are.

Does it tell you that they are optical illusions, aircraft or other human artifacts, meteorites, or just flat out hoaxes?

I can go on and on.

Like an unsinkable rubber duck.

Paul,
Like I said earlier there are inconstancies and this is the exact reason for Jesus.
Wiping the slate clean.
Because man messed things up and couldn't do it right.
God had to simplify it be cause we fall short.

Yet as God's creations, if we fall short doesn't that imply that God falls short too? How can an infallible being produce an imperfect creation? I know you'll invoke free will, but even so, if God gave us free will and we (Actually, two jerks from 6000 years ago. God has seen fit to let them make the choice for all of their many billions of offspring.) made a choice that angered God that still implies that we are imperfect creations of a supposedly perfect god. Why does this god blame his children for his own mistakes?

 

[Foster Zygote]

That's what happened when he gave us free will.
Unfortunately we were stupid enough to listen to the jealous guy you know the one that tells you what to post.
Otherwise we would be robots and that's as close to creation of a likeness of man that we will probably get to design. Artificial.

Gee Paul, I think he's calling you Satan's mouthpiece.

 

[Foster Zygote]

That's what happened when he gave us free will.
Unfortunately we were stupid enough to listen to the jealous guy you know the one that tells you what to post.
Otherwise we would be robots and that's as close to creation of a likeness of man that we will probably get to design. Artificial.

So when you go to Heaven will God revoke your free will? After God finally establishes his kingdom and makes everything just the way he wants it will his subjects still sin? Because if you believe that you will no longer sin, but still possess free will so as not to be a mere robot programmed to love God, then why didn't God make everyone like that in the first place? Why did he create a being that he knew would rebel against him and tempt his favorite creations to sin against him? Why did he let everything go bad and make him angry at all? If he can establish his perfect kingdom on Earth with humans who don't sin but still possess free will to love him then why didn't he just do that in the first place?

 

[Gord_in_Toronto]

A quick Google (TM) with a search of <Miracle Hindu -milk> gets:

Web Results 1 - 50 of about 570,000 English pages for Miracle Hindu -milk

A snake in eastern India bit a priest, vomited blood and died shortly after.
The priest, who is recovering in a hospital in Jharkhand state, attributed the miracle to the Hindu god Lord Shiva, news reports said.
The priest of Nag Devta (the snake god) temple was bitten by a five-foot snake in the temple premises in Jharkhand, the Ians news agency reported on Monday, quoting local newspapers.
[…]
Lord Shiva, one of the three main Hindu gods, wears a snake around his neck. It is said to symbolise the power he has over deadly creatures.

Sounds like a miracle to me. Thank you Lord Shiva

 

[The Atheist]

In fact, correct me if I'm wrong, a Buddhist IS an atheist.
Reincarnation isn't it; no god, heaven or hell.

I'd love to correct you, but you're not wrong.

Ask Ryokan, our resident Buddhist Atheist!

Masters of their own destinies, no fairies needed. (Not to say that reincarnation is all that sensible a belief. Cool, but stupid.)

 

[The Atheist]

...oh $#!+, cancel that post. I just noticed Atheist and Paulhoff. I'm trying to avoid those guys.

BJ (this time)

?????


First I'm a gentleman, now you're avoiding me?

 

[NobbyNobbs]

Ok, so I'm a little backed up with my reading in this thread.

Does the opposite hyposthesis (No Global Flood) explain why the lines between strata in canyons...lines that represent differences in age of millions of years...why those lines are absolutely straight-edge, in some places for miles?

Scientists say those straight lines are evidence not for vast ages, but for cataclysmic flood.

Suppose for a moment that you were able to provide evidence of miles-long perfectly straight strata. In what way does this prove a world-wide flood?

I still say the Bible is 100% accurate as written.

Historical accuracy of the Bible as written is error free.

Which version, please? And why that particular version?

Has the Bible getting the numeric value of Pi wrong been brought up yet? That alone unambiguously shows the Bible is not 100% true. It comes down to a concrete number that doesn't match up with reality.

Ok, I'm really curious. Where does the bible talk about pi?

I 'believe' the Jesus story in the way I believe in Frodo.

I just wanted to thank you for this sentence. I think it'd be a wonderful sentence to take out of context. I hope to find a reason to use it.

It's funny how even on their deathbed, when all is over at that last moment of life, that the staunchest of skeptics accept Jesus just in case it's real.
Which is all right, but the harm they do all of there lives, such a shame.
We just witnessed a 93 year old man do this and then die.

I know others have blasted you for this, but I'd just like to repeat it: got any evidence for this claim?

I didn't realise that the penalty for breaking the sabbath was death. Where did you find that scripture?

You may also note that in the 10 commandments one who were killing were doing so for greed and selfish reasons and taking what was not theirs to take.
Gods punishment for serious wrongdoing was death. This cleansed the nation of Israel, keeping it Holy before YHVH. God gives life, surely he has every right to take it from those who offend Him.

Mel

I'm just curious which ten commandments we are supposed to follow? The ones that Moses broke, or the second set? And why did God change his mind in between?

What miracles in modern times has Buddha done or any of the other so called Gods?

What miracles has the Christian god done in modern times? And before you answer that, what proof do you have that these "miracles" were performed by your god and not Vishnu, Zeus, or even Satan?

I’m skeptical that ufos are aliens from another planet.
The bible tells me what they are.

Please. I have to know. What does it say?

The Bible is as true as it can be.

Hey, you finally got something right!