The Bible is 100% true and to be read literally

I don't think there are any flaws in "real" science. I do think there are plenty of flaws in evolution. There are no missing links, though... for that you would have to have a chain. In evolution, the whole chain is missing!
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Fascinating.

How someone who has at least the cognitive power required to tie his own shoes can be able to make this claim is beyond me.

How can someone say that the work of thousands of scientists over a hundred and fifty years, working to interpret a vast body of evidence and form a coherent, probable theory about the natural world is worthless while the collective and often contradictory interpretation of a thousand-year-old book by magical-thinkers is worthy of any form of interest baffles my mind.
 
Belz... said:
Fascinating.

How someone who has at least the cognitive power required to tie his own shoes can be able to make this claim is beyond me.

How can someone say that the work of thousands of scientists over a hundred and fifty years, working to interpret a vast body of evidence and form a coherent, probable theory about the natural world is worthless while the collective and often contradictory interpretation of a thousand-year-old book by magical-thinkers is worthy of any form of interest baffles my mind.
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its a 2000 year old book! Okay there have been updated versions that are less than 1000! Does it matter? Evolution at least has evidence.
 
Belz... said:
Fascinating.

How someone who has at least the cognitive power required to tie his own shoes can be able to make this claim is beyond me.

How can someone say that the work of thousands of scientists over a hundred and fifty years, working to interpret a vast body of evidence and form a coherent, probable theory about the natural world is worthless while the collective and often contradictory interpretation of a thousand-year-old book by magical-thinkers is worthy of any form of interest baffles my mind.
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(Actually I'm wearing loafers)

And how many times have thousands of scientists over the last 150 years been wrong? I've lost track.

Also it is misleading to say that magic and the Bible are somehow connected.
 
2LifeGuy said:
(Actually I'm wearing loafers)

And how many times have thousands of scientists over the last 150 years been wrong? I've lost track.

Also it is misleading to say that magic and the Bible are somehow connected.
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You can look it up easily, since being proven wrong is a hallmark of scientific advancement. It is welcomed.

How many priests have admitted they were wrong about the bible?
 
fowlsound said:
You can look it up easily, since being proven wrong is a hallmark of scientific advancement. It is welcomed.

How many priests have admitted they were wrong about the bible?
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Ans. The same number who decided to disbelieve that "by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:"

FS: The Bible is God reaching out to us.
 
2LifeGuy said:
Greetings Ossai,

I only have time for one post today, and so many questions... I chose those you listed above.

First, and any creationists out there can correct me, but I would say that a belief that the Bible is 100% inerrant is not to say that faith is a science, rather that whenever the Bible makes a statement where the context touches on science, the Bible will prove to accurate.

So with regard to your question 1 above, based the Bible teaching of a world-wide flood less than 5000 years ago I should be able to make some predictions:

1. There should be no living tree older than 5000 years.
2. There should be no current dessert over 5000 years old.
3. There should be no coral reef older than 5000 years.
4. We should be able to observe evidence of entire jungles under sedimentary rock
5. We should be able to find seashells at the tops of any ancient mountain
6. We should find not one or two scattered fossils, but entire swaths of fossilized creatures
7. Since trees often sink in a vertical position we should be able to find thousands of petrified trees standing straight up in the (supposed ancient) sedimentary layers that would settle during flood conditions.
8. We should be able to find evidence of sedementary layers spanning whole continents.
9. We should be able to find fossilized "fragile or soft tissues" of animals including even fragile eggs and jellyfish.

These are some of the predictions I think one should reasonably be able to make if indeed there has been a world wide flood.

Question 2
I don't think there are any flaws in "real" science. I do think there are plenty of flaws in evolution. There are no missing links, though... for that you would have to have a chain. In evolution, the whole chain is missing!

God Bless,

2Life
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Major flaw in your theory; a new theory should not only be able to explain all that a current theory (that it is trying to replace) does, but also something that the current theory can not. Yours does not meet this criteria.
 
2LifeGuy said:
Ans. The same number who decided to disbelieve that "by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:"

FS: The Bible is God reaching out to us.
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That's a great non-sequitur.


The bible is mythology written by goat herders 2000 years ago.
 
Arkan_Wolfshade said:
Major flaw in your theory; a new theory should not only be able to explain all that a current theory (that it is trying to replace) does, but also something that the current theory can not. Yours does not meet this criteria.
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Does the opposite hyposthesis (No Global Flood) explain why the lines between strata in canyons...lines that represent differences in age of millions of years...why those lines are absolutely straight-edge, in some places for miles?

Scientists say those straight lines are evidence not for vast ages, but for cataclysmic flood.
 
Palimpsest said:
At least one.
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Nicely done sir. However I think our fundie friend misses my point entirely.

The same as it ever was. Fundies troll here and disregard anything that doesn't fit their worldview. And before anyone decides to play that card about skeptics or non-theists, I would point out that for the most part the reason they are skeptics or non-theists is by examining everything that doesn't fit with their worldview.
 
2LifeGuy said:
Does the opposite hyposthesis (No Global Flood) explain why the lines between strata in canyons...lines that represent differences in age of millions of years...why those lines are absolutely straight-edge, in some places for miles?
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Did you ever answer my questions about this claim? Or back the claim up that those lines are absolutely straight for miles?
 
2LifeGuy said:
Does the opposite hyposthesis (No Global Flood) explain why the lines between strata in canyons...lines that represent differences in age of millions of years...why those lines are absolutely straight-edge, in some places for miles?

Scientists say those straight lines are evidence not for vast ages, but for cataclysmic flood.
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Show me the peer reviewed scientific journal that published in, and by what scientists.
 
2LifeGuy said:
Does the opposite hyposthesis (No Global Flood) explain why the lines between strata in canyons...lines that represent differences in age of millions of years...why those lines are absolutely straight-edge, in some places for miles?

Scientists say those straight lines are evidence not for vast ages, but for cataclysmic flood.
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Name the scientists, cite some peer-reviewed articles. Otherwise they are just more of the same unsupported, outlandish claims your bible makes.

Lines in a canyon don't provide evidence for a global anything unless said canyon goes all the way around the world.
 
fowlsound said:
That's a great non-sequitur.


The bible is mythology written by goat herders 2000 years ago.
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There is so much historical evidence of the Bible even surrounding the birth of Christ. But if you heard it, would you be willing to reconsider?

Also, don't you find that amazing? Goat-herders writing the Bible? Seems to indicate divine inspiration to write say, the Psalms, after all of your growing-up years were spent as a herder of animals.

The Bible really is God's Word!
 
2LifeGuy said:
Does the opposite hyposthesis (No Global Flood) explain why the lines between strata in canyons...lines that represent differences in age of millions of years...why those lines are absolutely straight-edge, in some places for miles?

Scientists say those straight lines are evidence not for vast ages, but for cataclysmic flood.
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ARE they perfectly straight?

I know they look that way from a distance, but up close they might look very different.

Anyway, it should be fairly easy to test the hypothesis that raging flood waters can lay down perfect layers of sediment. This cries out for a laboratory test. Do you know of any that's been done?
 
2LifeGuy said:
There is so much historical evidence of the Bible even surrounding the birth of Christ. But if you heard it, would you be willing to reconsider?

Also, don't you find that amazing? Goat-herders writing the Bible? Seems to indicate divine inspiration to write say, the Psalms, after all of your growing-up years were spent as a herder of animals.

The Bible really is God's Word!
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No I do not find it amazing, I find it a matter of sociology.

Many have tried to present this historical evidence you speak of, but none of it has held up to scrutiny. Perhaps you can change that. Name the sources, the publications, and the evidence.
 
There is a great book about the Grand Canyon that I am sure the skeptics among us are familiar with. (Yes i am a skeptic of evolution) Anyway, this is a great source for the evidence of a global flood as described in the Bible, and it includes photos of the straight lines between strata that are supposedly millions of years separate in age. Other observations of the physical features of the Canyon indicate global flood conditions. Check it out if you get a chance! It's great for answering questions about geologic evidence for accuracy of the Bible regarding the global flood account.

The book is Grand Canyon a different view by Tom Vail
 
2LifeGuy said:
There is a great book about the Grand Canyon that I am sure the skeptics among us are familiar with. (Yes i am a skeptic of evolution) Anyway, this is a great source for the evidence of a global flood as described in the Bible, and it includes photos of the straight lines between strata that are supposedly millions of years separate in age. Other observations of the physical features of the Canyon indicate global flood conditions. Check it out if you get a chance! It's great for answering questions about geologic evidence for accuracy of the Bible regarding the global flood account.

The book is Grand Canyon a different view by Tom Vail
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There is another great book called "Science Held Hostage" that covers the Grand Canyon issue in depth. I'll review it tonight and maybe we can discuss it then.
 
2LifeGuy said:
There is a great book about the Grand Canyon that I am sure the skeptics among us are familiar with. (Yes i am a skeptic of evolution) Anyway, this is a great source for the evidence of a global flood as described in the Bible, and it includes photos of the straight lines between strata that are supposedly millions of years separate in age. Other observations of the physical features of the Canyon indicate global flood conditions. Check it out if you get a chance! It's great for answering questions about geologic evidence for accuracy of the Bible regarding the global flood account.

The book is Grand Canyon a different view by Tom Vail
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http://www.badastronomy.com/bablog/2007/01/17/more-on-the-grand-canyon-2/


Yes we're familiar with it. We are also familiar with how absolutely illiterate the author was in geology.
 
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