The Bible is 100% true and to be read literally

2LifeGuy said:
The book is Grand Canyon a different view by Tom Vail
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Scientists, not river guides. Citing a non-geologist is pointless. Again, regardless if the evidence at the Grand Canyon shows it was flooded, that can't be extrapolated to a global scale.

Is there something you don't understand about the word scientist? A river guide isn't qualified to understand anything about the walls of the canyon. For that, you read books by geologists. Cite some of those showing evidence for a global flood.
 
ceo_esq said:
Quite a few over time, I imagine. Depending on where the admission is directed, I think it's often called "recanting". :D
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In the context of my point, it was specifically geared not toward those that totally recant, but modify their theories as more study on their field progresses. I would venture to guess that more scientists modify their theories on their fields as study as a group progresses than do theologians.

Not that I have numbers to back it up. The point was those who dictate religious tenant claim infallability without review. Science welcomes review and "being wrong" to further understanding.
 
If the human race is around in another 4,000 years time, I can imagine people like Jesus Freak and 2LifeGuy, arguing against all the evidence the literal truth of The Lord of the Rings (a much translated and probably scrambled version albeit)...

I guess 2LifeGuy has never read the hypothesis that the stories of the flood are folk memories of the flooding of the valley and river basin that became the Black Sea.

And the psalms are part of a middle Eastern tradition of songs of praise, I suggest 2LifeGuy reads Akenhaten's Hymn to the Aten and compares it with Psalm 104.

And even if you're nomads it doesn't mean you have no culture or are stupid, no divine inspiration needed...
 
Some of you have asked for a listing of the scientists contributing to the understanding of the geologic record of global flood evidence. Here are those who contributed to the evidence found in the book "Grand Canyon a different view"

Steven Austin, Ph.D. Geology
John Baumgardner, Ph.D. Geophysics and Space Physics
Ken Cumming Ph.D. Biology
Duane Gish, Ph.D. Biochemistry
Werner Gitt, Ph.D. Engineering
Bill Hoesch, M.S. Geology
Russ Humphreys Ph.D. Physics
Alex Lalomov, Ph.D. Geology
Terry Mortensen, Ph.D. History of Geology
Mike Oard, M.S. Atmospheric Science
Gary Parker, Ed.D. Biology
Andrew Snelling, Ph.D. Geology
Larry Vardiman, Ph.D. Atomospheric Science
Kurt Wise, Ph.D. Geology

The book is a good look at Geologic evidences for the types of predictions plausible if there really were a world wide flood.

While skepticism is good, it is also good when a skeptic like me finally finds a few answers. I still say the Bible is 100% accurate as written.
 
2LifeGuy said:
While skepticism is good, it is also good when a skeptic like me finally finds a few answers. I still say the Bible is 100% accurate as written.
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It's a shame when someone's so scared of the dark and being alone in the universe that they seek the comfort of campfire tales and abandon curiosity...
 
fowlsound said:
No I do not find it amazing, I find it a matter of sociology.

Many have tried to present this historical evidence you speak of, but none of it has held up to scrutiny. Perhaps you can change that. Name the sources, the publications, and the evidence.
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I have time for a quick one before I leave for the day:

Evidence 1: Brittish Museum Carved marble bust of Ceasar Augustus listed as emporer during the transition to the new "common era" dating from that time period

Bible:Luke 2

1In those days Caesar Augustus issued a decree that a census should be taken of the entire Roman world.

Evidence 1... Ceasar Augustus was an actual figure at the time reported... this at least is not a myth based on the evidence, of which I only note the smallest bit.

Historical accuracy of the Bible as written is error free.
 
The Atheist said,
Albert Einstein: The Human Side, edited by Helen Dukas and Banesh Hoffman, Princeton University Press] {/quote]

Did he before the bomb or after write this?

So she rewrote it and what was she up to?
What was her agenda?
She may have been a sheepherder too.
Was she a pesdo-skeptic or a believer?
H.A. Lorentz may have been even smarter than Einstein.

The point is you can be a genius and still miss the point of everything that is truly important.
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Freethinker said:
Scientists, not river guides. Citing a non-geologist is pointless. Again, regardless if the evidence at the Grand Canyon shows it was flooded, that can't be extrapolated to a global scale.

Is there something you don't understand about the word scientist? A river guide isn't qualified to understand anything about the walls of the canyon. For that, you read books by geologists. Cite some of those showing evidence for a global flood.
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Freethinker, please see my last post of the day...and may you truly be free, as we all wish to be!

God Bless

2LifeGuy
 
2LifeGuy said:
I have time for a quick one before I leave for the day:

Evidence 1: Brittish Museum Carved marble bust of Ceasar Augustus listed as emporer during the transition to the new "common era" dating from that time period

Bible:Luke 2

1In those days Caesar Augustus issued a decree that a census should be taken of the entire Roman world.

Evidence 1... Ceasar Augustus was an actual figure at the time reported... this at least is not a myth based on the evidence, of which I only note the smallest bit.

Historical accuracy of the Bible as written is error free.
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That's your evidence of historical accuracy?

Ok here's my counter example:

Paul Bunyan is said to be real. He is referenced in Gartenberg, Max. "Paul Bunyan and Little John", Journal of American Folklore, volume 62, 1949. In Portland Oregon there is a giant statue of Paul Bunyan and near Grayling, Michigan there is a statue of both Paul Bunyan and babe the blue ox.

Therefore Paul Bunyan myths are true.

Am I wrong 2life?
 
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2LifeGuy said:
I have time for a quick one before I leave for the day:

Evidence 1: Brittish Museum Carved marble bust of Ceasar Augustus listed as emporer during the transition to the new "common era" dating from that time period

Bible:Luke 2

1In those days Caesar Augustus issued a decree that a census should be taken of the entire Roman world.

Evidence 1... Ceasar Augustus was an actual figure at the time reported... this at least is not a myth based on the evidence, of which I only note the smallest bit.

Historical accuracy of the Bible as written is error free.
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Except that the Romans, who with the Egyptians loved record keeping, don't actually have any record of this....

There's lots of fiction and mythology that incorporates the odd historical figure to add authenticity...
 
fowlsound said:
That's a great non-sequitur.


The bible is mythology written by goat herders 2000 years ago.
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And then purposely "edited" by politically motivated clergy during "translation" hundreds of years later.

2LifeGuy said:
Does the opposite hyposthesis (No Global Flood) explain why the lines between strata in canyons...lines that represent differences in age of millions of years...why those lines are absolutely straight-edge, in some places for miles?

Scientists say those straight lines are evidence not for vast ages, but for cataclysmic flood.
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What Arkan Wolf, Fowlsound, and others said. Where's the evidence and why would an "absolutely straight-edge" indicate a "cataclysmic flood"?
 
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2LifeGuy said:
Some of you have asked for a listing of the scientists contributing to the understanding of the geologic record of global flood evidence. Here are those who contributed to the evidence found in the book "Grand Canyon a different view"

Steven Austin, Ph.D. Geology
John Baumgardner, Ph.D. Geophysics and Space Physics
Ken Cumming Ph.D. Biology
Duane Gish, Ph.D. Biochemistry
Werner Gitt, Ph.D. Engineering
Bill Hoesch, M.S. Geology
Russ Humphreys Ph.D. Physics
Alex Lalomov, Ph.D. Geology
Terry Mortensen, Ph.D. History of Geology
Mike Oard, M.S. Atmospheric Science
Gary Parker, Ed.D. Biology
Andrew Snelling, Ph.D. Geology
Larry Vardiman, Ph.D. Atomospheric Science
Kurt Wise, Ph.D. Geology

The book is a good look at Geologic evidences for the types of predictions plausible if there really were a world wide flood.

While skepticism is good, it is also good when a skeptic like me finally finds a few answers. I still say the Bible is 100% accurate as written.
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Careful ace. You have a couple of master's degrees in there with your phds. How about now showing where any of these have been published in a peer reviewed journal? (Hint: being published by the Discovery Institute isn't peer reviewed.)
 
2LifeGuy said:
The book is a good look at Geologic evidences for the types of predictions
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According to a January 2004 memo by David Shaver, the chief of the Geologic Resources Division of the National Park Service, the book:
does not use accurate, professional and scholarly knowledge; is not based on science but a specific religious doctrine; does not further the public's understanding of the Grand Canyon's existence; does not further the mission of the National Park Service
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from a letter here and also mentioned here
 
fowlsound said:
Careful ace. You have a couple of master's degrees in there with your phds. How about now showing where any of these have been published in a peer reviewed journal? (Hint: being published by the Discovery Institute isn't peer reviewed.)
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Surely you are not going to question Dr. Duane Gish, the bastion of Creationistic rationality?

Say it ain't so!
 
edge said:
Did he before the bomb or after write this?
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Did you notice 1954 in the citation before you edited it?


So she rewrote it and what was she up to?
What was her agenda?
She may have been a sheepherder too.
Was she a pesdo-skeptic or a believer?
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Are you trying to say that Helen Dukas, one of the editors, purposely altered the work to fit with her own agenda?
 
Skeptic Guy said:
Surely you are not going to question Dr. Duane Gish, the bastion of Creationistic rationality?

Say it ain't so!
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I've not seen any peer reviewed material from him or from San Diego Christian College or its offshoot the Institute for Creation Research.

Perhaps this is why in 2006 the Western Association of Schools and Colleges yanked its accreditation.

From that:

The Commission found the College to be operating in substantial noncompliance with Standards 1 and 3 with respect to leadership and governance, financial planning, and lack of evidence to support that the College is sufficiently autonomous from the supporting church to be an accreditable entity. The Commission has scheduled a Special Show Cause visit to the College in fall 2006. The Commission will act on the fall 2006 Show Cause visit report at its February 2007 meeting.[1]
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Now 2Life, do you have any credible academics to support your position? Because if you're quoting people with a PHD from those institutes, then you're not helping your credibility.
 
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