The Missiles at Ground Zero

[MaGZ]

I think your are wrong defaultdotxbe.

The two fighters flew straight to NYC supersonic. They probable went out to the holding area from 9:09 to 9:13 (after they tried to shoot down the second plane over NYC) in order to clear space for all planes to land. It is nonsense to suggest NORAD did not know where to send the two fighters.

Believe your 9/11 Commission Bible if you must.

I don’t.

 

[defaultdotxbe]

I think your are wrong defaultdotxbe.

The two fighters flew straight to NYC supersonic. They probable went out to the holding area from 9:09 to 9:13 (after they tried to shoot down the second plane over NYC) in order to clear space for all plane to land. It is nonsense to suggest NORAD did not know where to send the two fighters.

Believe your 9/11 Commission Bible if you must.

I don’t.

it has nothign to do with knowing or not knowign where to send them, it has to do with supersonic flight being restricted over land

 

[beachnut]

A question for everyone.

What would the government do to protect national secrets in WTC 7?

A question just for you and you fellow shallow researchers.

Why are there no sounds of missiles? You are missing the supersonic path sounds and the sonic boom. You have heard of sonic booms right?

How and why did all the other running video of the scene miss the missile?

Where are the missile parts from the crater you said was there? There would be missile parts. I have first hand experience with missile parts and I have some patriot parts right here in my house from Desert Storm.

Missiles leave a supersonic noise like thunder and BOOM! Just from going supersonic. This is how missiles catch planes they fly real fast.

What else have you messed up. 5 years and you have no facts.

 

[stateofgrace]

I think your are wrong defaultdotxbe.

The two fighters flew straight to NYC supersonic. They probable went out to the holding area from 9:09 to 9:13 (after they tried to shoot down the second plane over NYC) in order to clear space for all plane to land. It is nonsense to suggest NORAD did not know where to send the two fighters.

Believe your 9/11 Commission Bible if you must.

I don’t.

Really?

“I think" and "they probably" are not facts, please present some

 

[MaGZ]

NORAD said they did not know where to send the fighters, so they claimed to have sent then to a holding area off Long Island.

That is what you call a "cover story".

 

[beachnut]

I think your are wrong defaultdotxbe.

The two fighters flew straight to NYC supersonic. They probable went out to the holding area from 9:09 to 9:13 (after they tried to shoot down the second plane over NYC) in order to clear space for all planes to land. It is nonsense to suggest NORAD did not know where to send the two fighters.

Believe your 9/11 Commission Bible if you must.

I don’t.

I know you are wrong on every singe point of your post. Please find a fact.

The missiles would have been seen on all the video and the sound would be there. Sound and video missing; did you forget to gather your evidence.

Are you even 11? You are unable to answer simples questions and just keep saying stupid stuff like you have posted...

 

[defaultdotxbe]

NORAD said they did not know where to send the fighters, so they claimed to have sent then to a holding area off Long Island.

That is what you call a "cover story".

and what evidence do you have its a cover story?

also, i asked you several questions before you ducked out of the SLC forum, would you like me to repost them here?

 

[stateofgrace]

NORAD said they did not know where to send the fighters, so they claimed to have sent then to a holding area off Long Island.

That is what you call a "cover story".

I'm sorry we are off topic now, was it NORAD that ordered the shooting down of Flight 175? Remember, the missiles that hit WTC 7 and the parking lot?

So did NORAD order the shooting down of flight 175?

 

[WildCat]

No shootdown order was given by Bush until after both towers were hit. Remember, Bush was at the school when this happened and only he could authorize a shootdown of a civilian airliner. This did not happen until later, when he authorized Cheney to give a shootdown order.

 

[gumboot]

NORAD said they did not know where to send the fighters, so they claimed to have sent then to a holding area off Long Island.

That is what you call a "cover story".

Indeed...

08:44:59
FOX: M.C.C. [Mission Crew Commander], I don’t know where I’m scrambling these guys to. I need a direction, a destination—
NASYPANY: O.K., I’m gonna give you the Z point [coordinate]. It’s just north of—New York City.
FOX: I got this lat long, 41-15, 74-36, or 73-46.
NASYPANY: Head ‘em in that direction.
FOX: Copy that.

The closest I could get with Google Earth was:

41°15'0.05"N, 73°46'0.44"W.

That is indeed north of NYC - about 40mi NNE of the WTC.

As for not knowing where the aircraft were:

08:55:18
BOSTON CENTER (Scoggins): Yeah, he crashed into the World Trade Center.
ROUNTREE: That is the aircraft that crashed into the World Trade Center?
BOSTON CENTER (Scoggins): Yup. Disregard the—disregard the tail number [given earlier for American 11].
ROUNTREE: Disregard the tail number? He did crash into the World Trade Center?
BOSTON CENTER (Scoggins): That’s—that’s what we believe, yes.

08:56:31
MALE NEADS TECH: I never heard them say American Airlines Flight 11 hit the World Trade Center. I heard it was a civilian aircraft.

DOOLEY (to Boston): Master Sergeant Dooley here. We need to have—are you giving confirmation that American 11 was the one—
BOSTON CENTER (Scoggins): No, we’re not gonna confirm that at this time. We just know an aircraft crashed in and …
DOOLEY: You—are you—can you say—is anyone up there tracking primary on this guy still?
BOSTON CENTER (Scoggins): No. The last [radar sighting] we have was about 15 miles east of J.F.K., or eight miles east of J.F.K. was our last primary hit. He did slow down in speed. The primary that we had, it slowed down below—around to 300 knots.
DOOLEY: And then you lost ‘em?
BOSTON CENTER (Scoggins): Yeah, and then we lost ‘em.

-Gumboot

 

[babazaroni]

A question for everyone.

What would the government do to protect national secrets in WTC 7?

So MaGZ, is it your contention that when the towers were attacked, the government realized that the 'secrets' in WTC 7 were suddenly vulnerable and had to scramble 2 fighters that were not in the air at the time?

Doesn't this imply the government did not have foreknowledge of the attacks, or they would have the fighters in the air somewhere to take care of WTC 7?

 

[MaGZ]

Wildcat,
So on 9/11, NORAD was just waiting around to get the orders. They were just following protocol and could not act on their own in an emergency situation.

Do you really believe that?

 

[Arus808]

A question for everyone.

What would the government do to protect national secrets in WTC 7?

its called backup of servers and huge industrial shredder.

and of course, putting into a building that would rival fort knox.

 

[stateofgrace]

No shootdown order was given by Bush until after both towers were hit. Remember, Bush was at the school when this happened and only he could authorize a shootdown of a civilian airliner. This did not happen until later, when he authorized Cheney to give a shootdown order.

You are right and most people know this but MaGZ is under the impression fighter jets fired on Flight 175, missed it and hit WTC 7 and a parking lot.

I was just curious as to where MaGZ thinks this order came from and who issued it.

MaGZ , over to you.

 

[Arus808]

I think your are wrong defaultdotxbe.

The two fighters flew straight to NYC supersonic.

False; they were 70 miles outside of Manhattan that day. They were told to goto NYC after south tower got hit by a plane. for two jets, traveling 70 miles is pretty damn quick.

 

[babazaroni]

Wildcat,
So on 9/11, NORAD was just waiting around to get the orders. They were just following protocol and could not act on their own in an emergency situation.

Do you really believe that?

MagZ, try to actually answer a question, any question, posed here without asking a new one.

 

[Gravy]

They both missed. One missile hit WTC 7 and the other missile hit in the open parking area northwest of WTC (see NOAA photo)

The fire in the lot at the northwest corner of Vesey and West started after the north tower collapse.

Or are you positing the use of ACME Invisidelay^TM missiles? I don't think they've been deployed yet. Heck, wasn't their development canceled during the Clinton administration?

Is it possible to nominate this whole thread for best troofer quote of 2007? This idjit may be in a league of his own.

 

[Arus808]

Wildcat,
So on 9/11, NORAD was just waiting around to get the orders. They were just following protocol and could not act on their own in an emergency situation.

Do you really believe that?

wow, dont you even bother to stop and understand what you read? or is just going through your eyes and out the ears?

 

[Alareth]

Wildcat,
So on 9/11, NORAD was just waiting around to get the orders. They were just following protocol and could not act on their own in an emergency situation.

Do you really believe that?

Yes, because for better or worse, that is how things work.

It's blatantly obvious that you know nothing about the military or a command structure.

Despite what you may have seen in the movies, no one does anything unless someone above them gives the ok.

 

[gumboot]

Wildcat,
So on 9/11, NORAD was just waiting around to get the orders. They were just following protocol and could not act on their own in an emergency situation.

Do you really believe that?

Yes.

The military have rules of engagement, and there's a little thing called US Law.

There are also standard proceedures for things such as hijackings. They do not involve NORAD blasting the aircraft out of the sky.

Had NORAD successfully intercepted any flights on 9/11, perhaps the pilots would have disobeyed direct orders and shot the airliners down anyway. No one will ever know, because NORAD did not intercept any flights. And as I have previously demonstrated, a successful intercept by NORAD on 9/11 was an impossible task.

-Gumboot