Telekinesiologist now at JREF!

TheTelekinesiologist said:
If your saying to travel to a professionally controlled environment then that's where I draw the line ...

My parents already think I'm a freak and they definitly would not allow it. Sorry guy's but if you think I'm a fake then there is nothing I can do about it. Give me 2 weeks of hardcore experimenting and we'll take it from there.
Mabye I can produce something that is distinguishable between fake and real on camera.
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TheTelekinesiologist, These are my assertions:

1) You are afraid of professionals and/or controlled environments.
2) You're hiding behind your parents' authority (why do they think you're a freak, anyway?).
3) You can not prove any of your assertions.
4) You can not produce anything on camera that can be proven real.
5) You have turned down all offers of assistance.
6) Your claims are false.
7) You have no telekinetic ability.
8) Any video you provide will be produced in such a way as to conceal the tricks you employ to simulate telekinesis.

-Fnord of Dyscordia-
 
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TheTelekinesiologist said:
I put my time into the movement of "light objects"(sheets of paper (8 1/2 x 11) and bending objects (spoons and paper) from a distance.
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Tell us about the spoon-bending. What evidence do you have that makes you feel you have the ability to bend spoons?

TheTelekinesiologist said:
Also, doubt cancels EVERYTHING!!! Even one shred. At one point, my parents convinced me it wasn't real and then couldn't do it anymore. After a while I regained it back because I discarded what they said..
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OK, do you understand what self-hypnosis is? It's a fairly effective tool to shape one's own perceptions. In this case, you are encouraging your mind to reject evidence of failure and see evidence of success. Knowing this, how can you trust yourself to be objective about your "powers"?
 
a.real.girl said:
OK, lets step back. TK, are you willing to recognize that this could be simple physics- normal forces acting on your set-up that you just haven't seen?

-Absolutly. I've set up multiple psi wheels in 2 rooms and will check on them from time to time to see if they move on their own. So far so good.

I don't know how much you've used your talent, but I'm wondering if you think your talent would work in a vacuum?

-I haven't really used my talent that much (approx. 15 min per week) but I do believe telekinesis has to do with alpha particles emitted from the brain. I'm not sure what the vacuum would do to the particles.

Would it work if someone else provided all the materials?

-Of course. I use a standard 8 1/2 x 11 peice of paper cut to
3inches x 4inches. I also use a sewing needle and and eraser to hold it up.
That's it.

And, just for my own edification, what benefit do you see this providing to the masses. I know I'm only one person, but I personally have no use for a sheet of office paper roatating on a pin.

-If we all have an ability, we should us it. It's using the other 90% of the brain that isn't in use. Plus, people won't be spinning paper forever. It''ll be much more than that. I can see telekinesis as a subject in school in the future. Scientists would be able to experiment on the effects of telekinesis(good or bad), including the possibility that it may even be the cure for cancer. The power of the brain is more powerful than most think.:D
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TK
 
He/she sure is. The clincher was the "90% of the brain that isn't in use" bull. The last fraud I hear use that bit of stupidity was John Edward.
 
What clinched it for me were the facts that I listed in post 141.

Especially the one about not wanting to be in a professionally controlled environment... :rolleyes:

School must be his own special Hell.
 
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Curnir said:
From www.banachek.org


The McDonnell Lab videotape showed the subjects causing a light-weight paper rotor perched atop a needle-point to turn – in either direction, at their will – while mounted inside what was called a “bell jar.” The terminology was misleading indeed. A bell jar is a piece of laboratory equipment designed to be hermetically sealed to a base-plate, and usually capable of being evacuated of air. The actual item used was a glass dome, the cover of a cheap clock, placed upon a wooden base with a slot to receive the edge of the dome. A layer of aluminium foil that settled in the recess made a further seal.

The boys demonstrated that a static-charged comb was not able to cause a deflection of the rotor because of a special anti-static coating sprayed upon the dome. But when they replaced the dome, it was an easy matter to drop a small ball of aluminum foil into the slot, causing the dome to tilt slightly and provide a gap. By simply blowing surreptitiously at the base of the dome, the boys could cause air to circulate within and thus turn the balanced rotor. Changing body position and blowing from a different angle changed the direction of air movement, and thus the direction of rotor movement. Since the small ball of foil matched the layer of foil, it was invisible and could easily be removed after the experiment – especially since the boys were allowed to handle everything freely.


Ahh Project Alpha gotta love it.
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Banacheck is fabulous (of course, he was Steve Shaw during the Alpha Project). He does a wonderful bit in which he causes a pen to turn on a table edge in response to his hand movements (no thread involved) while he is looking away from it. The explanation is laughably simple.
 
CLD said:
Tell us about the spoon-bending. What evidence do you have that makes you feel you have the ability to bend spoons?
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I think it was about a month ago that I went to a spoon-bending party. I didn't even know there was such a thing lol. Ya so at one point, one of the guys takes out a basket of old spoons and tells us to bend them with out mind by gently(and I mean gently) rubbing the dip on the spoon. After a while I was getting frustrated cause it wasn't working so I started talking to a friend. After about 10 minutes of rubbing I felt the spoon go mush literally! I could bend it any which way! I think it lasted about 5 minutes then the spoon hardened. I tried to bend it back but couldn't. Couldn't do it again since. :confused:

But on a whole I haven't really practiced spoon bending as much as everything else.

CLD said:
OK, do you understand what self-hypnosis is? It's a fairly effective tool to shape one's own perceptions. In this case, you are encouraging your mind to reject evidence of failure and see evidence of success. Knowing this, how can you trust yourself to be objective about your "powers"?
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Yes I know what hypnosis is. A hypmatist tried to hypnotise me a a birthday party and it didn't work.
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It's not rejecting failure it's more like everything around you is a video game and you use the controls to control it. In actuality, your trying to convince your subconcious to be your concious. Nothing I do will ever be done without thought.
 
CLD said:
Tell us about the spoon-bending. What evidence do you have that makes you feel you have the ability to bend spoons?
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I think it was about a month ago that I went to a spoon-bending party. I didn't even know there was such a thing lol. Ya so at one point, one of the guys takes out a basket of old spoons and tells us to bend them with out mind by gently(and I mean gently) rubbing the dip on the spoon. After a while I was getting frustrated cause it wasn't working so I started talking to a friend. After about 10 minutes of rubbing I felt the spoon go mush literally! I could bend it any which way! I think it lasted about 5 minutes then the spoon hardened. I tried to bend it back but couldn't. Couldn't do it again since. :confused:

But on a whole I haven't really practiced spoon bending as much as everything else.

CLD said:
OK, do you understand what self-hypnosis is? It's a fairly effective tool to shape one's own perceptions. In this case, you are encouraging your mind to reject evidence of failure and see evidence of success. Knowing this, how can you trust yourself to be objective about your "powers"?
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Yes I know what hypnosis is. A hypmatist tried to hypnotise me a a birthday party and it didn't work.
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It's not rejecting failure it's more like everything around you is a video game and you use the controls to control it. In actuality, your trying to convince your subconcious to be your concious. Nothing I do will ever be done without thought.
 
TK, spoon-bending parties are another common venue for delusion and self-delusion. People frequently experience something they absolutely swear couldn't be faked because it happened right in my hands without realizing that it was, in fact, faked. Sometimes it didn't even happen; the people were simply fooled as a result of a skilled presenter manipulating their expectations and emotions.

I'm not ready to give up on you. I still think you could be an honest teenager experiencing something that is new (to you). But you need to take the advice given here and do some research if you don't want that assessment to change.
 
I do believe telekinesis has to do with alpha particles emitted from the brain.
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Sadly, we have here yet another case of a youngster with low self-esteem who desperatly needs to find a way to be special.
Another example of embracing paranormal nonsense as a way of distracting one's self from personal inadequacies, real or perceived.

Good luck in the real world, kid. You're going to need it.
 
fishbait said:
Sadly, we have here yet another case of a youngster with low self-esteem who desperatly needs to find a way to be special.
Another example of embracing paranormal nonsense as a way of distracting one's self from personal inadequacies, real or perceived.

Good luck in the real world, kid. You're going to need it.
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Actually I have pretty good amount of self-esteem. Do you think I joined this forum for personal gain? Seeing as this is an EDUCATIONAL forum, I wanted to give my knowledge to everyone, SO THEY CAN TRY IT OUT. If you think about it, it would actually be selfish to keep it all to myself wouldn't it? Hmm, I wonder what I'd be learning in school now if Mr.Newton kept all his discoveries to himself...
 
Hey there, TKist,

What do you think about my suggestions for a protocol?

And Fnord has offered to help you design a test that rules out other possible factors as well. Will you be willing to accept his or my (or both of our) help, design a protocol, and test it?
 
TheTelekinesiologist said:
Actually I have pretty good amount of self-esteem. Do you think I joined this forum for personal gain? Seeing as this is an EDUCATIONAL forum, I wanted to give my knowledge to everyone, SO THEY CAN TRY IT OUT.
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Interesting. Nearly every one of the skeptics (those most often accused of being closed-minded) come here to learn. Perhaps to teach some, but definitely to learn.

Do you think there's anything you can learn here?

Or how about this:

Imagine I come up with what I consider to be a great recipe one day while fiddling in my kitchen. Further imagine that I have no culinary arts training, have never read a recipe book, don't know the names of any spices beyond salt and pepper, but really liked the dish I threw together from leftovers my mom put in the fridge.

Do you think it would be presumptuous of me to go to a conference where The Iron Chef, The Naked Chef, Julia Childs, Emeril Lagasse, and a host of other renowned chefs are meeting, storm the stage, grab the microphone and say: "You guys have just GOT to try this!"

Don't you think it likely they know all about it, and that in the real world of culinary arts it's a pretty basic recipe that won't pass muster at any successful restaurant?

That is, in effect, what you have done here. Many people on this forum have dealt with the paper-spinning-on-needle thing many times. We have dealt with many other things. Many of us are actually experts in the relevant fields.

Calm down. Step back. Take a breath. Relook what you're doing. And take advantage of the education offered here as opposed to presuming you are the only one, with your limited experience and knowledge, who can offer it.


TK said:
If you think about it, it would actually be selfish to keep it all to myself wouldn't it?
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It would be selfish if you didn't listen to the learned responses. You are teetering on that edge.

TK said:
Hmm, I wonder what I'd be learning in school now if Mr.Newton kept all his discoveries to himself...
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If Mr. Newton had shown his maths to experts who subsequently showed him the errors he had overlooked, he would have withdrawn his claims.
 
Fnord said:
The resolution of the image is not fine enough to reveal the horsehair attached to the paper and the performer's right hand (which moves very little, except when the paper is also moving).

If an alledged "telekinetic event" could be duplicated by a simple magician's trick, then a grainy video of what could also be a magician's trick is not proof of a true act of telekinesis.

I used to perform this very same trick myself "to amaze and amuse my friends" as the saying goes. I'm sure Mr. Randi could debunk this video more convincingly that I.

Therefore, what is shown in the video is not conclusive proof of telekinetic ability.

By the way, I offered to help you design a conclusive test for your abilities. You have not responded. Are you interested or not?

-Fnord of Dyscordia-
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oops. missed this post. sure i'm interested.
 
TheTelekinesiologist said:
...Alpha Particles...
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From Wikipedia: "Alpha particles are emitted by radioactive nuclei such as uranium or radium in a process known as alpha decay."

Why on earth would you think these could be emitted from your brain to turn a piece of paper. Dude, come on. You are just kidding, right?

For the record - I put a piece of paper on a pin here in my office a while ago, it has been spinning left and right quite a bit, especially when anyone walks past my open door.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alpha_particles
 
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