Telekinesiologist now at JREF!

[TheTelekinesiologist]

The quickest and easiest way to move past this point, is like a previous poster said, set up a psi wheel like you've been using, paint an arrow on it, and leave the room after noting where the arrow is pointing. Set up a few of these in different rooms in your house, then go do something else for a few hours and come back to them and see if they're in the same position. If you did this today and then posted what happened then I think people would be give you more credit.

thanks latent! I'll try it and leave it overnight or something. brb

 

[Garrette]

Actually, she probably doesn't know it's a trick. Her hands are so close to the paper it's either heat or static electricity. What I've learnt is that the heat coming from your hands can actually interfere with telekinesis. 5-10 feet away should do it. The heat coming from your hands makes a clockwise current. If you asked her to change directions she won't be able to do it. Trust me. I tried it. Standing 5-10 feet away should do it and prove it.

You may well be right that she doesn't know it's a trick, but the fact that the small amount of heat generated by your hands can "interfere" with the powers should tell you something.

Bear in mind that even at 5-10 feet away (previously you said at any distance so long as you can see it) there are mechanisms involving temperature, air current, and possibly even static electricity that come into play. That's why it is crucial to involve someone knowledgeable about such things.

Take fnord and TruthSeeker up on their offers.

 

[JLam]

This is going well.

This thread is what this forum is all about. This kid is really learning, and we're helping him learn. That's good stuff folks.

 

[fishbait]

From what I have learnt from this forum, my abilities prove absolutly nothing. .

What abilities? You haven't proven any ability nor offered any evidence other than anacdotes.

It appears you have learned nothing from this forum. There is much more to learn here than up in your highschool buddies bedroom blowing on a piece of paper.

Search the forums for other claims like yours. You will learn a lot from some very smart people that just might put you on the road to developing proper thinking skills. You will need those skills if you ever get into engineering school.

 

[VespaGuy]

Actually, she probably doesn't know it's a trick. Her hands are so close to the paper it's either heat or static electricity. What I've learnt is that the heat coming from your hands can actually interfere with telekinesis. 5-10 feet away should do it. The heat coming from your hands makes a clockwise current. If you asked her to change directions she won't be able to do it. Trust me. I tried it. Standing 5-10 feet away should do it and prove it.

My "hands" comment was a (obviously bad) joke. I was referencing the fact that my eyes were drawn elsewhere in the video.

 

[billydkid]

A guy arrives who is about to disprove almost every physical and mathematical law of the entire universe and you're worrying about my use of smilies??!!??

He must be THE ONE!!!!!

 

[roger]

TK, if you have a moment, browse these two threads involving a claim very similar to yours.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=29765
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=31133

You seem to be missing a point we keep raising. It's not just a matter of isolating the device from external forces (which is vital), it's also a matter of devising an accurate way of identifying success and failure. Beth, the subject of those threads, has a PhD in statistics, and yet she encountered troubles coming up with a good protocol. This stuff is hard to do right. Take the offers to help design an experimental protocol seriously.

 

[billydkid]

What is the proof? That you said he could? Mere testimonials are irrelevant. Also, I said nothing about static electricity.

Merely saying that you or someone else can do something is insufficient proof. Doing something to support your claim in front of reliable witnesses is sufficient proof. Doing something repeatedly on many different occassions, under any conditions, in front of many witnesses, and while being recorded from many angles in high-resolution video each and every time is overwhelming proof.

Do you want me to help you design a test to prove your abilities or not? Keep in mind that if you turn down (or even ignore) my offer, you could automatically void any credibility you may have built up in this forum. I work in Research & Development. I have performed sleight-of-hand tricks for "fun and profit." I could be your best help, or your worst detractor. It's all up to you.

Here's your chance. Take it or leave it.

-Fnord of Dyscordia-

I would be happy with just once under controlled conditions.

 

[TheTelekinesiologist]

TK, if you have a moment, browse these two threads involving a claim very similar to yours.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=29765
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=31133

it's also a matter of devising an accurate way of identifying success and failure.

If I continued to use the psi wheel then that would be true. However, if I strengthened my ability from small-scale to large-scale(i.e cans, etc) there wouldn't be a need for addressing probability. Try moving a can with static, heat, etc. It won't move. Some people don't even have the lung capacity to blow it .

 

[fishbait]

This stuff is hard to do right. Take the offers to help design an experimental protocol seriously.

Good advice. Some of us have come down on you hard but it's only because we have seen this many times before.

You are being urged to take advantage of the vast resource that is this forum. If you sincerely listen to what is being offered, there will be a payoff for you in ways you don't yet realize. I'm speaking from my own experience here.

 

[Gr8wight]

Hey there Telekineseologist,
You're not by any chance studying to go into medicine or some other field that requires certain...critical thinking skills are you?

engineering.

Oh, well, you'll be fine, then.

 

[roger]

If I continued to use the psi wheel then that would be true. However, if I strengthened my ability from small-scale to large-scale(i.e cans, etc) there wouldn't be a need for addressing probability. Try moving a can with static, heat, etc. It won't move. Some people don't even have the lung capacity to blow it .

Sure, if you can levitate a can, or make a standing can move, from 10 feet away, then it's pretty easy to check for trickery, and a lot harder to fool yourself. Let us know how that goes.

 

[Curnir]

From www.banachek.org


The McDonnell Lab videotape showed the subjects causing a light-weight paper rotor perched atop a needle-point to turn – in either direction, at their will – while mounted inside what was called a “bell jar.” The terminology was misleading indeed. A bell jar is a piece of laboratory equipment designed to be hermetically sealed to a base-plate, and usually capable of being evacuated of air. The actual item used was a glass dome, the cover of a cheap clock, placed upon a wooden base with a slot to receive the edge of the dome. A layer of aluminium foil that settled in the recess made a further seal.

The boys demonstrated that a static-charged comb was not able to cause a deflection of the rotor because of a special anti-static coating sprayed upon the dome. But when they replaced the dome, it was an easy matter to drop a small ball of aluminum foil into the slot, causing the dome to tilt slightly and provide a gap. By simply blowing surreptitiously at the base of the dome, the boys could cause air to circulate within and thus turn the balanced rotor. Changing body position and blowing from a different angle changed the direction of air movement, and thus the direction of rotor movement. Since the small ball of foil matched the layer of foil, it was invisible and could easily be removed after the experiment – especially since the boys were allowed to handle everything freely.


Ahh Project Alpha gotta love it.

 

[latent aaaack]

thanks latent! I'll try it and leave it overnight or something. brb

My guess is doing that will remove some of the doubts about your claims, as long as you write down what direction the arrow is pointing in each place you left a psi wheel, on the computer or a piece of paper in the room before leaving the rooms for a few hours.

 

[Crazycowbob]

We have already explained why that happens - the darn psi wheel spins even when no one is in the room with it - and even under glass. It's notoriously susceptible to static, temperature, air, convection currents, etc. And it's easy to fool yourself into thinking you "control" it.

This reminded me of Don Quixote, when he met the man who "controlled" the weather. The poor man sat up, staring at the sky constantly, absolutely convinced that all the movements of the clouds were due to his influence, when in reality he was just post-rationalizing the movements they made as what he wanted them to do.

I'd wager many people who believe they have telekinetic abilities probably fall into that category. I myself admit I've been guilty of such in my younger years (and probably still, just in less woo areas lol!).

However, I, as well as many others here I'm sure, would love for you to be able to prove you have this ability TK. Such a thing would create a huge change in our view of the world, and I would be one of the first to knock at your door to learn from you if you proved this real!

 

[a.real.girl]

OK, lets step back. TK, are you willing to recognize that this could be simple physics- normal forces acting on your set-up that you just haven't seen?

I don't know how much you've used your talent, but I'm wondering if you think your talent would work in a vacuum?

Would it work if someone else provided all the materials?

And, just for my own edification, what benefit do you see this providing to the masses. I know I'm only one person, but I personally have no use for a sheet of office paper roatating on a pin.

 

[Gr8wight]

If I continued to use the psi wheel then that would be true. However, if I strengthened my ability from small-scale to large-scale(i.e cans, etc) there wouldn't be a need for addressing probability. Try moving a can with static, heat, etc. It won't move. Some people don't even have the lung capacity to blow it .

If you could move a tin can under controlled conditions, then I would be very impressed. Let us know how your practising progresses. Heck, a tin can is pretty heavy. I'd be impressed with a simple paper cylinder the size of a tin can. Under controlled conditions, that is.

 

[TheTelekinesiologist]

I would be happy with just once under controlled conditions.

If you mean me creating a youtube video, it's already in progress. I asked for everyone's input for the video a few posts ago. If you would like to give me some of youre input on the clip, please do. If your saying to travel to a professionally controlled environment then that's where I draw the line. When I joined this forum, I wasn't intending on showing the world, yet. I was gonna take it slow. Show a few clips but nothing big. My parents already think I'm a freak and they definitly would not allow it. Sorry guy's but if you think I'm a fake then there is nothing I can do about it. Give me 2 weeks of hardcore experimenting and we'll take it from there.
Mabye I can produce something that is distinguishable between fake and real on camera.

 

[Crazycowbob]

And, just for my own edification, what benefit do you see this providing to the masses. I know I'm only one person, but I personally have no use for a sheet of office paper roatating on a pin.

I'd dissagree with that. Though I may personally doubt it's existance, were telekinesis to be proven to exist, it would mean that our understanding of the natural universe is far less complete than we have previously imagined, and would open a whole new body of science to be explored.

Of course, me, I'm sticking with traditional physics, not going to hedge my bets on something that I frankly don't think is going to manifest.

 

[timokay]

Anything you do on camera is suspect. It is not proof. Do not waste your time.
Get an impartial witness, or better yet, a skeptical one, and perform whatever you think best demonstrates your power.

You already said that you can make an sheet of paper follow your hand across the room. Does it lift off of the table by itself? Or do you have to push it?