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Kent Hovind gets 10 years

jesus_freak said:
Is this kinda like even if rocks could give birth to apes (and to our knowledge they cannot) that doesn't mean we came from them?
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You need to stop getting your science from Christian websites. They are lying to you.
 
As far as Hovind goes, the only thing I can say is that at least one of MY prayers have been answered: another slimy charlatan has been removed from public view. Hasta la vista, @$$#013.
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WOW! that is one convincing, mature, intelligent post...Mark one up for the evolutionist...seriously people like you give the evolutionist or non-believers or whatever they want to be called a bad rep.
 
jesus_freak said:
OK how about you pick 1 and we will start there. I am more than willing to show that any of these are not contradictions.
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I will paraphrase from a recent thread on the SAB message boards. You will not find a ready made answer I'm afraid - you might actually have to think for yourself.

The SAB lists the obvious contradictions with the duration of the flood. But there's one I spotted which I see as a contradiction that's not listed.

Noah was 599 years, 2 months, and 17 days old when the flood began:

"In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened." - Genesis 7:11

Noah was 600 years, 1 month, and 1 day old when the flood ended.

"And it came to pass in the six hundredth and first year, in the first month, the first day of the month, the waters were dried up from off the earth: and Noah removed the covering of the ark, and looked, and, behold, the face of the ground was dry." - Genesis 8:13

These verses suggest the flood's duration lasted 319 days which contradicts Genesis 7:17, Genesis 8:3, Genesis 7:24. So I see there being 3 contradictory statements (40 days, 150 days, and 319 days).
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http://p089.ezboard.com/How-long-di...onboardgeneral.showMessage?topicID=4889.topic

Go for it.
 
jesus_freak said:
WOW! that is one convincing, mature, intelligent post...Mark one up for the evolutionist...seriously people like you give the evolutionist or non-believers or whatever they want to be called a bad rep.
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He used to be one of you.

Well, maybe not quite as arrogant without the prerequisites to back it up.
 
jesus_freak said:
I fear you are the one being lied to. Evolution is not a science!
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In what sense?

Also please enlighten me as to how (alleged) divine knowledge is science. (Hint: it is in fact impossible by definition. Good luck).
 
jesus_freak said:
I fear you are the one being lied to. Evolution is not a science!
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Science, as it were, is a discipline, and it follows certain principles and methods. The scientific method says you make and observation, propose a hypothesis, gather the evidence, then re-examine your original hypothesis to see if it's still valid. Evolution, as such, is very much a science.

Your views are a conclusion, force fed down the throats of the gullible. There is no thought involved; merely the blind assertion that this is what has happened, and unless you accept it, you're doomed to an eternity of perpetual punishment. (I won't even begin to discuss with you the illogic of that particular element of bizzare thought.) Should anyone challenge the basic ideas behind your assertions, or, perish the thought, present evidence which challenges the veracity of it, they are damned by people like you, claiming that they don't love Jesus, or something equally absurd.

Evolution is a science, while Intelligent Design has largely been shown to be an attempt to backdoor religion into our nation's classrooms. Bad idea.

And, you're wasting our time.
 
Jesus_Freak, stop derailing this thread. If want to have a debate about science go to the science section of the forums and start a thread on it. This thread is about Hovind's sentencing, NOT the poor arguments of creationist websites against the world of science.
 
Questioninggeller said:
Jesus_Freak, stop derailing this thread. If want to have a debate about science go to the science section of the forums and start a thread on it. This thread is about Hovind's sentencing, NOT the poor arguments of creationist websites against the world of science.
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Won't happen. JF is a classic troll, and we'll see more and more from this childish little boor, much as we have from Kurious Kathy, Billiefan, 1inChrist, and a whole host of others.
 
The SAB lists the obvious contradictions with the duration of the flood. But there's one I spotted which I see as a contradiction that's not listed.

Noah was 599 years, 2 months, and 17 days old when the flood began:

"In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened." - Genesis 7:11

Noah was 600 years, 1 month, and 1 day old when the flood ended.

"And it came to pass in the six hundredth and first year, in the first month, the first day of the month, the waters were dried up from off the earth: and Noah removed the covering of the ark, and looked, and, behold, the face of the ground was dry." - Genesis 8:13

These verses suggest the flood's duration lasted 319 days which contradicts Genesis 7:17, Genesis 8:3, Genesis 7:24. So I see there being 3 contradictory statements (40 days, 150 days, and 319 days).
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Ok so lets see if i got this right...It rained for 40 days(Genesis 7:17) the water prevailed upon the earth for 150 days(including the 40 days and nights of rain)(genesis 7:24) and after the 150 the water receded steadily from the earth.(Genesis 8:3). So where is the contradiction I don't get it.
 
Jesus_Freak, stop derailing this thread. If want to have a debate about science go to the science section of the forums and start a thread on it. This thread is about Hovind's sentencing, NOT the poor arguments of creationist websites against the world of science.
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I'm not sure that I derailed this thread.
 
Earth to 'Dr. Dino': Please pay your taxes and start facing reality
by Mark O'Brien

He's been in jail for 10 weeks, but Kent Hovind hasn't learned the first lesson of being a criminal: "Don't do the crime if you can't do the time."

Translation: You got caught, so quit whining and take your punishment like a man.

Instead, Hovind is sniffling in court, dabbing tears from his eyes and comparing himself to Jesus and Job. He urges the judge to let him go home rather than do serious time for bilking the government.

This same government guarantees "Dr. Dino" freedom of religion and freedom of speech so he can denounce the theory of evolution, promote "creation science" -- an oxymoron to many -- and operate Dinosaur Adventure Land and Creation Science Evangelism.
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Hovind blames his problems on lawyers, another pastor, the Internal Revenue Service. His own sins are minor.

"I forgot to dot some i's and cross some t's," he said.

Hovind's talk sounds good to the courtroom full of sympathetic spectators. It has the ring of "truthiness," Stephen Colbert's term for stuff that sounds good but isn't factual.
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Today being Sunday, ask your minister or priest if he or she pays income taxes, just as the government requires.
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He talked tough in telephone conversations from Escambia County Jail, where he was held while waiting to be sentenced Friday on 58 charges.

Although phones include warnings that conversations are recorded, he didn't mince words as he ran up eight hours of calls per week.

He vowed to "make life miserable" for the IRS, keep suing the government and promote his cockamamie theory that he's tax-exempt.
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Judge Casey Rodgers listened to the tapes and then to Hovind, who didn't help his case by refusing to accept any responsibility for the mess he has made. Instead, his words just aggravated his legal situation.
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She sentenced him to 10 years in prison.

Even then he resisted reality.

"I sure would like to go home," he told Rodgers.

She nodded and said, "I have to follow the law."

If only Kent Hovind followed the law, too.
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Source: "Earth to 'Dr. Dino': Please pay your taxes and start facing reality," Pensacola News Journal, January, 21, 2007
 
please enlighten me as to how (alleged) divine knowledge is science. (Hint: it is in fact impossible by definition. Good luck).
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please show me where I said it was...Good Luck!
Science, as it were, is a discipline, and it follows certain principles and methods
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sci·ence :a branch of knowledge or study dealing with a body of facts or truths systematically arranged and showing the operation of general laws.
 
jesus_freak said:
please show me where I said it was...Good Luck!
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Ah, so you admit divine knowledge is useless.

Thanks for playing.

sci·ence :a branch of knowledge or study dealing with a body of facts or truths systematically arranged and showing the operation of general laws.
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And that is somehow supposed to show what? You don't have any reading comprehension?

So where is the contradiction I don't get it.
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Different numbers. Ugh.
 
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jesus_freak said:
I'm not sure that I derailed this thread.
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You started this horseflop with Genesis in the middle of a thread regarding Kent Hovind cheating on his taxes. Yeah, slick, you derailed it, and enjoyed doing it.

Sorry, but if you want to riff about the Deluge, knock yourself out, but either over in the Science section, or in the R&P area. And don't waste people's time with whining about how you were just trying to defend the Gospel. You're not doing that. You're simply massaging your own ego, and trying to make yourself look like a martyr to impress your Pastor and the Friends of Pastor by "witnessing" to those e-e-e-e-evil skeptics on the Randi board.

Please. You're not fooling anyone, least of all me.
 
Well, maybe not quite as arrogant without the prerequisites to back it up.
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If I come off as arrogant I am truly sorry...that is not my intention, I just like to make my points like everyone else, and notice I will not be the one name calling.
 
jesus_freak said:
Ummm....no....I admit it is not science, and neither is evolution...NEXT!
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Again you have not explained why it is not a science.

If you can assert stupid things with no argument behind it then so can I.
 
Different numbers. Ugh.
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OK let me try this again...It rained 40 days and nights...150 days later (including the 40 days and nights) the water steadily receeded the earth...I still don't get it sorry :-(
 
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