Common Sense

[Belz...]

Brilliant! I love how God had to nudge it twice, cause he couldn't get it right the first time.

Just like with the flood.

 

[Belz...]

Okay... cool, so what is: This building is about to blow up... lingo for?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vr5TxKTMRx0

What does this have to do with common sense, again ?

No... you need to defend all three of the rescue workers who said the building was going to blow up... and the other one who proclaimed that the building was about to come down. Now you tell me... how do you predict when a building is gonna come down without knowing it is being blown up?

Gosh, you really ARE dense. Haven't you read what was said about the building tilting and creaking ?

I'm biting my tongue on this one... the firefighters were obviously told by their superiors that bombs were in WTC 7... OKAY? You with me so far?

"Obviously" ? What's so "obvious" about it ?

Oh wait... you don't live in the real world... you live in a virtual world of speculation.

Really. Let's read that again.

I'm biting my tongue on this one... the firefighters were obviously told by their superiors that bombs were in WTC 7... OKAY? You with me so far?

NOT speculation ?

I apologize guys... but, I have to put some more of you on ignore... because I will be suspended or banned... if I have to continue reading this mindless drivel.

Translation provided by Belzimplied^tm
"I apologize guys... but, I have to put some more of you on ignore... because I can't possibly find adequate retorts to your points without changing the subject."

Maybe the superiors were told of the bombs by the Fire Department Commander...

Is that speculation ?

Maybe... you are naive and don't know how the media suppresses information....

Claim of inside knowledge ?

or how basic human psychology works.

Are you a psychologist, 28 ? Still waiting on that.

Bush clearly told us...

"You're either with us... or you're with the terrorists."

Pretty strong words.. don't you think?

Well, Bush IS a dolt.

But... not to worry... you'll have your martial law soon enough...

Yes, Charlton Heston's been saying that for a while, too.

you do realize that it's legal for you to be arrested simply for speaking out against the official story, right?

Are you writing this from your prison cell, or from your comfy home, hypocrit ?

 

[Belz...]

Now... I'm gonna use your words against you... Why do you think no one has sued Alex Jones for libel and/or slander? I mean have you heard the unambiguous claims he has made not only against organizations but specific individuals? Do you know how easy it would be for these powerful persons/entities to file a lawsuit against Alex Jones? At the very least they could make his life a living hell by tying him up in court...and swamping him in debt with legal fees, so why hasn't anyone done this?

I MEAN HAVE YOU HEARD SOME OF THE THINGS ALEX JONES HAS SAID? The CIA imports most of the drugs into the country... DynCorp, Halliburton and the UN run child prostitution rings...

So why ISN'T crazy Jones in jail ?

 

[JonnyFive]

It seems that 28th Kan't Understand Physics has left the building. Oh well, I was really looking forward to him actually providing evidence of something something.

 

[Regnad Kcin]

I have dominated all of you on many different topics and in many different threads... and now it's starting to get really stale and boring.. There's just no challenge to it anymore... the only defense you people have are insults and chaotic theories which defy the laws of probability and the physical world....

I really have pity for you all... and have exercised some mercy at times - but when it comes down to me clearly proving NIST wrong... all of you are reduced to nothing more than babbling children... spouting off insults.

Remember, the major difference between truthers and deniers... is that truthers want to unite (with deniers) ... truthers want to be on the same team... truthers don't want conflict... deniers only want conflict... deniers will do anything to remain divided from truthers... And, therein lies the problem...

Ha ha ha ha ha!

Ha!

 

[aggle-rithm]

BACK TO THE TOPIC....

Another aspect of science that is counterintuitive is the study of human memory. Common sense tells us that the more confidence we have in our memory of something, the more likely it is to be correct.

WRONG!

There is no relationship between confidence and accuracy. This has been proven in study after study, to the dismay of those participating.

 

[JonnyFive]

Another aspect of science that is counterintuitive is the study of human memory. Common sense tells us that the more confidence we have in our memory of something, the more likely it is to be correct.

WRONG!

There is no relationship between confidence and accuracy. This has been proven in study after study, to the dismay of those participating.

I've always found that extremely interesting. The level of certainty we can have in false memories is simply amazing. It just goes to show you how much we rely on our ability to accurately process and interpret reality.

For example, see ChristopherA, who made up a documentary that never existed and is 100% convinced it was real.

 

[aggle-rithm]

I've always found that extremely interesting. The level of certainty we can have in false memories is simply amazing. It just goes to show you how much we rely on our ability to accurately process and interpret reality.

For example, see ChristopherA, who made up a documentary that never existed and is 100% convinced it was real.

Most often, this comes up because troofers believe memory is infallible, and any discrepancy is evidence of lying.

When I told one troofer (who found it suspicious that Bush had several different stories about how he first heard of the attacks) about a memory study involving college-age kids, he said, "Bush isn't a college kid! He's the president!"

Indeed, he's not a college kid. College kids have much better memories than men in their fifties.

 

[JimBenArm]

Most often, this comes up because troofers believe memory is infallible, and any discrepancy is evidence of lying.

When I told one troofer (who found it suspicious that Bush had several different stories about how he first heard of the attacks) about a memory study involving college-age kids, he said, "Bush isn't a college kid! He's the president!"

Indeed, he's not a college kid. College kids have much better memories than men in their fifties.

Wait a minute! What's that supposed to mean? Darn kids, making fun of us old guys again.

What were we talking about again?

 

[defaultdotxbe]

BACK TO THE TOPIC....

Another aspect of science that is counterintuitive is the study of human memory. Common sense tells us that the more confidence we have in our memory of something, the more likely it is to be correct.

WRONG!

There is no relationship between confidence and accuracy. This has been proven in study after study, to the dismay of those participating.

many peopel think remembering soemthign is liek reading a file off a computer disk, once its stored it never changes

but thats not true, everytime you remember something your are re-experiencing it, reanalyzing, reinterpreting, and re-remembering it (possibly differently)

this is why eyewitnesses in criminal cases arent that useful unless there is corroborating physical evidence (and why mass UFO sitings can still be venus)

 

[maccy]

During the course of the epic tussle with Lyte Trip and Skeptic4Sure over the eyewitness testimony in their (still unreleased) video, I amassed quite a few sources on this. There's a summary here:

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2132245&postcount=225

The video clips are especially interesting.

Edited to add: but the videos are no longer on YouTube...

 

[Paul]

As an interesting addition I offer some paraphrased statements from a TV program last night. All these were within a few sentences: "sounded like an explosion", "like a plane had crashed into the building" and "like an asteroid had come through the roof".

Troofer logic tells us, therefore, that an exploding asteroid plane had crashed into the gentleman's sporting goods store. In reality, however, and old lady had driven her VW through the font window while trying to park.

 

[Belz...]

Please, have your family watch 9/11 Press for Truth, and other 9/11 documentaries. I implore you... you can help save the world.

Ah, saving the world. Helps give you some sense of self-worth between two sessions of Zelda, doesn't it ?

Psychology is complex... and you don't understand the first thing about it.

Just because you can say "Do you think if brain surgeons had the power to prevent all future brain/head injuries from happening - with a snap of the fingers... that they would do it, even if it means they would be out of a career that they have devoted over 10 years of schooling to?" doesn't mean you understand people's psychology, bucko.

You are a liar and a gatekeeper.

Accusing opponents of working for a non-existent, all-encompassing entity doesn't give you any points in a debate.

I quit.

Friend, you quit long ago.

 

[Belz...]

It very well may have. I've noticed a tendency among CTists, in that they seem to think that those of us who don't see the world as an evil place are hopelessly naive. They seem to see this world as one where every man is against every other man, and no one ever cooperates, except to the extent that they can be bribed or coerced into cooperating.

It does seem to be the standard "x-files" worldview of the CTers.

I've always found that extremely interesting. The level of certainty we can have in false memories is simply amazing. It just goes to show you how much we rely on our ability to accurately process and interpret reality.

Some people, however, DO have phenomenal memories, or at least better memories than other people. My memory, though far from infaillible, is, for some reason, excellent with details, even 20 years after the fact. Important stuff, however, is another matter.

 

[defaultdotxbe]

Some people, however, DO have phenomenal memories, or at least better memories than other people. My memory, though far from infaillible, is, for some reason, excellent with details, even 20 years after the fact. Important stuff, however, is another matter.

yeah, im the same way, a wealth of useless information like being able to quote song lyrics, and movie and tv scripts verbatim

but where i left my car keys is another matter entirely....

 

[uk_dave]

Despite the fact that 28th Kingdom is a LIAR, he has served one useful purpose on this thread, and that is to highlight that it's not just a case of misplaced trust in their own common sense which makes the CTers think the way that they do, but it is also their lack of imagination.

The LIAR known as 28th Kingdom was at great pains to proclaim that he had the ability to imagine and us mere mortals were lacking that capacity. But he had it arse about face.

The CTers mind is closed to being able to imagine anything which is contradictory to their common sense.

I would suggest that all critical thinkers on this site are perfectly capable of imagining 9/11 as a vast government conspiracy, but it is in doing so that we discover the flaws in that hypothesis.

We can imagine the wtc towers being brought down by controlled demolition, even including thermite, but we can also imagine:

• The difficulty with planting the demolition charges/devices

• The problems of maintaining secrecy for such a large undertaking

• The potential for premature detonation caused by the plane impacts and fire

• The potential for damage to the control mechanism for those demolition charges/devices from the plane impacts and fire

• The difficulty of hiding the visual and audible evidence of explosive demolition charges being used

• The potential for failure of the CD and subsequent discovery of the plot

• The difficulty of making thermite work in a manner capable of cuting vertical columns

• The potential for experts around the world to question our official version of events if the impact damage and fire scenario is considered to be impossible.

So we have the imagination to see the flaws in the supposed conspiracy, but the CTer appears blind to these logical contradictions and attempts to dismiss them with more and more outlandish notions such as beam weapons, holograms instead of planes and of course the worldwide media cover-up. But again, those notions are full of flaws which only a person with a normal healthy imagination seems able to comprehend.

Anyway, just thought I'd mention it........

...carry on.

 

[JimBenArm]

UK_Dave, why do you keep calling 28K a liar? Just because he never once said anything true is no reason to do that!

 

[uk_dave]

UK_Dave, why do you keep calling 28K a liar? Just because he never once said anything true is no reason to do that!

JimBenArm,

I don't call 28K a liar, I call him a LIAR!

 

[JimBenArm]

JimBenArm,

I don't call 28K a liar, I call him a LIAR!

I sit corrected.

 

[JonnyFive]

I sit corrected.

It's better for the posture that way.