Common Sense

[Hellbound]

But on the plus side, you do get to beat them back. And then they thank you for it!

And there's all that yelling....

So...it's kinda like a Mosh pit, but with fewer people?

 

[Horatius]

So...it's kinda like a Mosh pit, but with fewer people?

Unless you're doing a "balloon keiko", in which everyone has a balloon tied to their helmet, and the last unpopped one wins. That gets a bit frantic

And there's usually no music!

Except for the Chicago Dojo, which used to share the space with the Japanese Taiko Drummer group. From what I've heard, that was quite the experience.

 

[Coritani]

That not crazy enough for you? Perhaps it would flip off:

I find this hilarious for some reason.

 

[LashL]

I find this hilarious for some reason.

That's because it IS hilarious

(and the animated adaptation is even more hilarious...)

 

[T.A.M.]

on a more serious note (we can try) how long would the gap on the right have to be, for the top to actually tip over? curious?

TAM

 

[jhunter1163]

I saw a post from someone a few hundred threads ago that really stuck in my mind re: this. The poster said that OF COURSE the towers fell straight down. The inertia of the portion of the tower above the impact zone wouldn't let it do anything else BUT fall straight down. The lateral deflection imparted by the plane and the removal of the supports isn't enough to overcome the tendency of 100,000 tons or so of tower to fall straight down.

I hope I got that right. That was the general idea of the post.

 

[Horatius]

on a more serious note (we can try) how long would the gap on the right have to be, for the top to actually tip over? curious?

TAM

Well, to "tip over", the centre of gravity of the upper block would have to be past the pivot point of where the right corner touches the lower block.

If you look at the thrid stage of the above figure, where that corner and the CG are just above one another, and take a look at how high the left corner is, that's about as high as that corner would have to be. So, a significant fraction of the overall dimensions of the towers. Of course, this treats all the blocks as solid, which they're not.

For instance, the figure shows the right corners touching near to the edge, but if it had rotated this far while remaining attached at the left, the contact point would be more in the center, where there's less solid material to support the block as it continues to tip.

Of course, if the left side support was this tall, it would likely also buckle as the block rotates, and the degree of rotation would be greater, meaning the support is more likely to fail due to bending before the right corner makes contact.

 

[Andúril]

Typical CT miscalculation

I was going off of freefall times that someone else came up with. According to this video, freefall for flat steel beams would be 5.6 seconds over the distance of 100 meters.

...

So we divide 100 meters into the height of WTC 2 (415m) We get 4.15.

4.15 X 5.6 = 23.24 seconds.

There's something severely wrong with your calculations. Can you figure out what it is? No? Well, very few conspiracy theorists can.

I bet you won't even realize that you have just proved the absolute correctness of Dr Adequate's words:

These are the people who will use the phrase "faster than free fall" as if it had meaning. Now, as I said, I've studied the physics of gravity at university, but forget that, let me also say that I've studied physics at high school. So I know that the phrase "faster than free fall" is meaningless drivel.

But for most people, I wouldn't have to go into the maths, because if they were shown an animated cartoon in which "free fall" was a velocity rather than an acceleration, they would burst out laughing, just like they'd burst out laughing at the cartoon of the marble going in a spiral.

And then there is the tiny percentage of people who neither know the physics nor have any learned instincts about motion; and who will talk as though "free fall" is a velocity; as though falling was like going down in an elevator.

These are the CTs.

 

[Firestone]

I was going off of freefall times that someone else came up with. According to this video, freefall for flat steel beams would be 5.6 seconds over the distance of 100 meters.

...

So we divide 100 meters into the height of WTC 2 (415m) We get 4.15.

4.15 X 5.6 = 23.24 seconds.

There's something severely wrong with your calculations. Can you figure out what it is? No? Well, very few conspiracy theorists can.

I bet you won't even realize that you have just proved the absolute correctness of Dr Adequate's words:

These are the people who will use the phrase "faster than free fall" as if it had meaning. Now, as I said, I've studied the physics of gravity at university, but forget that, let me also say that I've studied physics at high school. So I know that the phrase "faster than free fall" is meaningless drivel.

But for most people, I wouldn't have to go into the maths, because if they were shown an animated cartoon in which "free fall" was a velocity rather than an acceleration, they would burst out laughing, just like they'd burst out laughing at the cartoon of the marble going in a spiral.

And then there is the tiny percentage of people who neither know the physics nor have any learned instincts about motion; and who will talk as though "free fall" is a velocity; as though falling was like going down in an elevator.

These are the CTs.

Hello Andúril!

Can you imagine that this is actually the only thing that (the frequently lying) 28th Kingdom has proven so far on this forum?

 

[Andúril]

Hello Andúril!

Can you imagine that this is actually the only thing that (the frequently lying) 28th Kingdom has proven so far on this forum?

Actually, yes I can. =D I've been reading the posts of this forum for a couple of days with great interest. You see, those conspiracy theorists are the same everywhere, regardless of their nationality. Recently I participated to an intense debate that eventually covered about 350 pages before the conspiracy theorists finally disappeared for some time to lick their wounds.

(But it's not only with conspiracy theories where they show their insanity; in other discussions they often prove themselves to be practically brainwashed leftist extremists who have strong sympathies towards islamic terrorists in Palestine, Afghanistan and Iraq and they also share the terrorists' enormous hatred towards Western politics and Israel. Their ignorance goes down to levels where it's hard to believe that most of them actually are grown-up adults and not just teenage rebels without a clue.)

 

[Horatius]

Actually, yes I can. =D I've been reading the posts of this forum for a couple of days with great interest. You see, those conspiracy theorists are the same everywhere, regardless of their nationality. Recently I participated to an intense debate that eventually covered about 350 pages before the conspiracy theorists finally disappeared for some time to lick their wounds.

I agree with you about how they're all the same. You can tell that very few of them do any original thinking, by how often they just parrot the same old arguments we've all seen a thousand times.

I was looking at your intorduction post:

I'm an engineering student from Finland. I'm a some sort of sceptic, preferring science and opposing religions, but also valuing arts and culture. My hobbies include classical music (particularly Wagner ), medieval swordsmanship and armour-making in local medieval history groups, plastic model kits (mainly battleships/starships) and some RTS computer games from Age of Empires to Empire Earth.

You sound like you'll fit in quite well. While we may bash the artsies occasionally, I think a lot of people here will share your interests in art and culture.

As for the swords, we actuall have enough trained swordspeople here that we were discussing starting a "sharp and pointy things club". We range from Japanese stylist like myself, to a few fencers and medieval types like you. So feel free to refer to swinging the steel, some of us will understand what you're talking about!

 

[Andúril]

I was looking at your intorduction post:

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You sound like you'll fit in quite well. While we may bash the artsies occasionally, I think a lot of people here will share your interests in art and culture.

I'm sure about that, even after I point out that when I'm talkin about "art", I refer to people like Leonardo, Donatello, Bach and Mozart, not to those hippies who splat paint on a wall or brutalize musical instruments and call it art (and deserve to be bashed every now and then).

As for the swords, we actuall have enough trained swordspeople here that we were discussing starting a "sharp and pointy things club". We range from Japanese stylist like myself, to a few fencers and medieval types like you. So feel free to refer to swinging the steel, some of us will understand what you're talking about!

This sounds very promising. I haven't tried kendo, but I have fenced for several years before adding on the longsword. Sadly, my studies have made it difficult to attend all of my activities (means I'm often too tired), so I had to drop "normal" fencing for a while... but I have still been able to attend most medieval swordsmanship lessons; it's not "only" swordfighting, but also very practical martial art when it comes to close combat and dagger techniques...

Time to go to sleep now... it's almost 4 A.M. here...

 

[Horatius]

Sadly, my studies have made it difficult to attend all of my activities (means I'm often too tired), so I had to drop "normal" fencing for a while... but I have still been able to attend most medieval swordsmanship lessons; it's not "only" swordfighting, but also very practical martial art when it comes to close combat and dagger techniques...

Time to go to sleep now... it's almost 4 A.M. here...

Damn that real life, getting in the way of the important stuff!

Ah, well, I've always said any practice is better than no practice at all. You just have to keep swinging. I find having a backyard with good hedges helps there.

I did kendo for about 10 years, but now I'm sticking mostly to Iaido. Our style includes some 2-person stuff with a bit of grappling in it, and we have a new member who knows a few more of those sorts of things, so we're hoping to include that more in our practice. Should be fun!

 

[The Silver Shadow]

Actually, yes I can. =D I've been reading the posts of this forum for a couple of days with great interest. You see, those conspiracy theorists are the same everywhere, regardless of their nationality. Recently I participated to an intense debate that eventually covered about 350 pages before the conspiracy theorists finally disappeared for some time to lick their wounds.

(But it's not only with conspiracy theories where they show their insanity; in other discussions they often prove themselves to be practically brainwashed leftist extremists who have strong sympathies towards islamic terrorists in Palestine, Afghanistan and Iraq and they also share the terrorists' enormous hatred towards Western politics and Israel. Their ignorance goes down to levels where it's hard to believe that most of them actually are grown-up adults and not just teenage rebels without a clue.)

If you don't mind me asking, are you a right winger or a left winger? Just curious. I'm a left winger and a human biology student in Canada as well as an Iranian and a Muslim, and still, I don't believe in the conspiracy.

 

[~enigma~]

So...it's kinda like a Mosh pit, but with fewer people?

Mosh...Let's do the woowoo mosh

 

[Andúril]

One last post before passing out...

Damn that real life, getting in the way of the important stuff!

Yes, that reality can sometimes be a pain in the ass.

I did kendo for about 10 years, but now I'm sticking mostly to Iaido. Our style includes some 2-person stuff with a bit of grappling in it, and we have a new member who knows a few more of those sorts of things, so we're hoping to include that more in our practice. Should be fun!

I've always thought that it might be fun to create a West vs. East -battle, with people dressed up as knights and samurais with good armours and then testing their skills against each other...

 

[Andúril]

If you don't mind me asking, are you a right winger or a left winger? Just curious. I'm a left winger and a human biology student in Canada as well as an Iranian and a Muslim, and still, I don't believe in the conspiracy.

Perhaps I'm a bit right from the center. At least I'm not a leftist - that most likely has a bit different meaning here than there. (We are neighbours to Russia.)

It's interesting how this conspiracy crap flourishes especially in the western countries. But I suppose you are not a very religious type of muslim? Just curious.

 

[The Silver Shadow]

I'm Iranian, that explains how devout I am

 

[bonavada]

Troofer logic tells us, therefore, that an exploding asteroid plane had crashed into the gentleman's sporting goods store. In reality, however, and old lady had driven her VW through the font window while trying to park.

you mentioned asteroids :-]

i've posted this before but it's worth doing so again. mickey kross, fireman at the wtc....



BV

 

[Horatius]

I'm Iranian, that explains how devout I am

I've often wondered if there's a muslim equivalent of a C-and-E catholic.


"Ramadan and Haj" Muslim, maybe?