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Possible application candidate

GzuzKryzt,

That is a good point that Jeff is the only one that can speak for jref. I'm simply blown away with this assessment of paranormal..
If he can tell when the real remote is being used vs. the one with the batteries reversed, and measures have been taken to ensure that there are no other cues to the devices usage, that sounds paranormal to me.

According to the Journal of Parapsychology
The term paranormal describes "any phenomenon that in one or more respects exceeds the limits of what is deemed physically possible according to current scientific assumptions."

I personally don't see how the ability to sense IR would be considered paranormal. Snakes have that ability as I've mentioned. The very TV you use your remote with has the ability. It isn't science fiction to imagine that a person could be fitted with an implant allowing them to sense IR.

At this article ...
...from February 2005 they describe how they have a monkey moving a robotic arm with merely its thoughts. Is that telekinesis? Amazing stuff.

Gene
 
Good points, Gene.

If the JREF calls it "paranormal" for the purpose of an applicants's claim: It's their call to make.

We will have to wait for the JREF receiving Burner's uncle's application.
 
I'd like to scoot my application in ahead of Burner's. My tv can sense IR! It's a miracle! :)

Gene
 
GzuzKryzt,

I guess so. All this time I thought I had the market on woo cornered. I suppose I'm getting a little nervous when I see heavyweights like jref edging in on my market.

Gene
 
I've heard of people picking up radio broadcasts with the filling in their teeth. Do you suppose that would count as paranormal?
 
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Funny you should mention that Jim. There is a patent (United States Patent 6633747) for just such a receiver. Boy the games you could play with that sort of filling.

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Gene
 
After quite a long discussion with my wife we've both come to the conclusion that we should adopt our TV. It's a Sony. Soon it will be our Sony. We've decided that it's consistent with our beliefs to give until it hurts. Sure we'd like a son or daughter that wasn't a quadriplegic, but even nonmobile entities like a tv could use good parents. We plan on being good parents.

Gene
 
What would be the point of me testing him, causing him loads of pain, getting affidavits from 3 MDs just to have my application denied since it's NOT PARANORMAL! I doubt it's paranormal, and obviously so do other members on this forum. That's why I need some sort of confirmation. Is that so hard to grasp?

Apply first. State your claim clearly and get the official word on whether it's acceptable. You can do self testing and get the affidavits later.
 
Well, I was curious about the same thing. However I have asked Mr. Jeff Wagg if he can guarantee that this thing is 100% paranormal and he said YES. So I'm going ahead with the tests and if they succeed with the application.


Yowsa.

I've been asked to guarantee that this event is paranormal? How the hell can i do that? <snip>

I can tell you now that we would require an affidavit from a doctor.

My gut tells me that the uncle is playing a trick on Burner or that Burner is playing a trick on us.


Please note.
What Jeff Wagg says and what Burner says Jeff Wagg says are two different things and are not to be confused with each other.

If anybody wants evidence of what I have said above is true then please compare Burner's quote with what is in red of Jeff's. What does this say of Burner's credibility?


Edit. Calm? How can I be calm when I am on the floor having fits of laughter?
 
I've heard of people picking up radio broadcasts with the filling in their teeth. Do you suppose that would count as paranormal?

Mythbusters tested this. They could not duplicate the it. They said Lucy Ball claimed to have this ability. Someone else mentioned the same issue here not long ago.
 
GzuzKryzt,


If he can tell when the real remote is being used vs. the one with the batteries reversed, and measures have been taken to ensure that there are no other cues to the devices usage, that sounds paranormal to me.
That is a good point that Jeff is the only one that can speak for jref. I'm simply blown away with this assessment of paranormal..


According to the Journal of Parapsychology


I personally don't see how the ability to sense IR would be considered paranormal. Snakes have that ability as I've mentioned. The very TV you use your remote with has the ability. It isn't science fiction to imagine that a person could be fitted with an implant allowing them to sense IR.

At this article ...

...from February 2005 they describe how they have a monkey moving a robotic arm with merely its thoughts. Is that telekinesis? Amazing stuff.

Gene
The bolded section sounds like the line I've been taking on this.

My reasoning being that human beings don't have the ability to detect IR. Snakes do, but people aren't snakes.

"Paranormal" in this case being that there's no known mechanism in the human body that could react to an IR signal.

Again, my 2 Cents. And irrelevant, anyway, since Burner has to submit an application and the JREF has to decide if its paranormal.
 
"Paranormal" in this case being that there's no known mechanism in the human body that could react to an IR signal.

Unless you had that mechanism inserted in you like poor Carmen had. Who knows what anyone would do for a million dollars.

Gene
 
I'm with MortFurd here. It is irrelevant whether snakes and TVs can detect infrared, humans can't. Yes, it is theoretically possible for someone to have some kind of detector implanted in their foot during an opperation for a shrapnel wound using the shrapnel as some kind of transiever and designing it to cause as much pain as possible when a TV remote is aimed at it, but ignoring all other IR radiation. Call me skeptical, but I find this a little unlikely.

Implants aside, I would say this is definately paranormal. IR is easily absorbed and remotes are incredibly low power. The most obvious thing to note is that there is much more IR radiation around than just that from remotes, so we need a good reason why only remotes are noticed. The low power means that a remote would not be capable of causing a macroscopic piece of metal to vibrate, or even warm up. I suppose microscopic pieces associated with the main piece could have a more pronounced reaction due to smaller mass, but molecular scale metal would be absorbed by the body and so anything the remote could have a significant effect on should no longer be present.

As for detecting a remote signal through clothes, this is borderline. It is possible that a signal could get through thin clothing such as a t-shirt, but trousers and socks seems unlikely. I will try a little testing when I get home to see how likely this is. As already mentioned, humans absorb IR extremely efficiently, so unless the shrapnel is right on the surface nothing would reach it anyway, regardless of clothes. Would it be possible to confirm where the shrapnel is, and also what it is made of? I also notice you said that when you first found out about this you were sitting on the remote and had someone else between you and your uncle. There is no way any IR signal could pass through another person, so if this is the case it is definately paranormal.

As a completely unqualified, non-medical opinion, there is nothing vaguely paranormal here. You said that the pain lasts for at least a day and that there is also a constant background. You also implied that he spends a lot of time lying down, watching TV, and presumably using a remote. So, occasionally the pain happens around the same time the remote is used. Since the pain is almost always there and the remote is used regularly, somehow this doesn't seem surprising.

As a final point, you said that no-one is trying to fool anyone. Firstly, you might not be, but with $1 million at stake the JREF can't be too careful, so you shouldn't take it personally if people suggest this and if steps are taken to ensure that you aren't. Secondly, just because you are honest does not mean everyone else is. "Bored Uncle Plays Prank On Gullible Nehpew", in other news, "Dog Bites Man". Paranormal this is not.
 
I tried my TV remode. It works through four layers of blue denim material! It also works through most of my fingers but not through the base of my thumb or through the palm of my hand. It seems that IR signals have enough penetrating power to pass through a moderate depth of human tissue and/or clothing.
 
A few technicalities: The IR from a remote is rather short-waved, as IR goes, probably about 700-800nM. It is fairly intense, think flash-light level. Although natural light, including sunligt, will contain the same wavelengths, the intensity on that particular wavelenght may well be lower.

As laready mentioned, the IR range is not out of the sensory range of living creatures.

While I think there can be a number of more mundane explanations, and that testing it should be interesting, I think it is quite unfounded, at this point, to acknowledge it as supernatural. I think there are natural explanations possible (namely some freak sense reaction at the old injury site).

I think the JREF are slipping up a bit, here. But what the h*ll, your uncle probably deserves the million more than most other applicants, so.....

Hans
 
This topic raises a question in my mind. Suppose the Uncle and JREF agree to the preliminary tests and the Uncle passes them easily. The FAQ's says that the final test "may include more trials, or may last longer." If the Uncle were to agree to getting painfully zapped a fixed number of times in the preliminary test, could the final test require him to be zapped a greater number of times? If theories are put forth that show a perfectly logical reason as to how IR can interact with a piece of shrapnel to cause pain, would that invalidate tests?
 
No. The MDC isn't interested in why your power works, only demonstrating that it does.
 

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