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Possible application candidate

Could some enterprising electronics geek with the right equipment maybe set up a parallel experiement here? Let's find out what the shrapnel is, or what the materials most likely are (lead? Steel? Iron?). Then, someone with the appropriate equipment, hook up a chunk of said materials to some sensing device and then zap it with a remote. Does the material react?

It seems to me that a lot of the argument here is trying to determine whether this is paranormal or not. OF COURSE Burner & his uncle need to apply first before JREF will give a definitive answer. But one of the hypotheses we've seen is that the pulsed IR is somehow setting up an oscillation in the shrapnel material that's irritating a nerve. Can we figure out whether pulsed IR will set up an oscillation in shrapnel material?
 
In thinking about this, we'd just need an o-scope, and something to stand the material on that's non-reactive (easy enough to test; hook the o-scope up to /it/ and zap it, and if it doesn't react, we're good to go), and then zap it. Right? Burner, do you or your uncle know what the shrapnel in his leg is, in particular?
 
Jackalgirl said:
Could some enterprising electronics geek with the right equipment maybe set up a parallel experiement here? Let's find out what the shrapnel is, or what the materials most likely are (lead? Steel? Iron?). Then, someone with the appropriate equipment, hook up a chunk of said materials to some sensing device and then zap it with a remote. Does the material react?

It seems to me that a lot of the argument here is trying to determine whether this is paranormal or not. OF COURSE Burner & his uncle need to apply first before JREF will give a definitive answer. But one of the hypotheses we've seen is that the pulsed IR is somehow setting up an oscillation in the shrapnel material that's irritating a nerve. Can we figure out whether pulsed IR will set up an oscillation in shrapnel material?
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I think a big problem here would be that nerves are incredibly sensitive. Without some seriously expensive specialist equipment I doubt you would be able to detect any effect on the material, but that does not mean that nerves wouldn't. It also seems more likely that any effect would not be caused by the large lump of shrapnel but by small particles detatched from it that would be effected more by the light. Again, this would need very specialist equipment to handle, and I really doubt that anyone would be willing to spend the time or money required to test this.
 
Like Cuddles said, those are probably smaller chunks that react to IR light. As for shrapnel material it's lead and iron. None of it won't really matter if my uncle is just imagining it. And I think this could well be the case.
 
Burner said:
Not really. We do not all scream like little girls when in pain you know. He's a man who's been in constant pain for more than 10 years and has endured things your average Joe would faint even thinking about. He had no idea I was pressing the remote, and neither did I since I just had the remote pointed away from the tv and playing with it on my knee.
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You can skip the hyperbole, thanks.

M.
 
Burner said:
What would be the point of me testing him, causing him loads of pain, getting affidavits from 3 MDs just to have my application denied since it's NOT PARANORMAL! I doubt it's paranormal, and obviously so do other members on this forum. That's why I need some sort of confirmation. Is that so hard to grasp?
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Your histrionics seem eerily familiar.

M.
 
Jeff Wagg said:
This is the main reason we don't talk about claims before we receive the application.

I don't even know what we're talking about. A guy feels pain when someone uses a remote control. Ok.. for all I know it's one of those Dish Network UHF/IR remotes. Maybe it's the UHF that makes his foot hurt. Maybe it's the IR. Maybe he just watches the nephew to see when he's holding the remote.

I don't know, that's why I can't "guarantee 100%" that what's going on here is supernatural.

I have talked with Randi about this, and he agrees that if someone can detect an IR signal from a remote with proper blinds in place, that would count as paranormal. In this case, proper blinds would include eyes and ears.

And that's why the claim itself is so important. Does it matter which remote is used? Does it matter if the batteries are in it? How far away can the remote be? Etc...etc. etc. This is all the work of the claimant.

But, that said, this really looks like a hoax to me. And that's why we have the challenge in the first place.
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There is also the question of how the JREF would satisfy itself that Uncle wasn't cheating. Is covering the eyes and ears enough? What other possible ways are there to cheat?

M.
 
Moochie said:
There is also the question of how the JREF would satisfy itself that Uncle wasn't cheating. Is covering the eyes and ears enough? What other possible ways are there to cheat?

M.
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Which brings up a valid point about the MDC. It generates more questions than answers.
 
robinson said:
Which brings up a valid point about the MDC. It generates more questions than answers.
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I was referring to the specific case of the uncle who cried ouch, not to the MDC.

Seems to me that the scenario put forward is one where there could be a myriad of ways to cheat.


M.
 
I agree. There are countless ways to cheat here. But I doubt there is cheating involved, at least not on a conscious intentional level. It's quite possible on the other side that my uncle was imagining it all. I saw him briefly few days ago and he wasn't eager to be tested. Partly because his leg wasn't in a very good shape lately but I also think he might start to realise that it's just all in his head. It's also possible he did see me or notice that the remote was pressed when this whole thing started. Either way I wasn't exactly going to twist his arm to get him to test. Maybe I'm wrong about this, I'll try to test him next time I see him, hopefuly his leg won't be in such a bad shape. If he declines I think it's pretty safe to assume he was making it up.
 
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