Common Sense

[Architect]

But he saw this documentary once, and they had missiles, space lasers, tanks and even mutant space lizards guarding it.

Sounds like a normal night out in Glasgow.....

 

[Regnad Kcin]

So flying a two seater and flying a commercial airliner...hey, pretty much the same thing right? I mean if a kid can drive a go-cart than surely they can drive an 18-wheeler.

Stop! Please! You're killing me here!

Surely the Pentagon i.e. the headquarters for the world's most elite military defense is a sitting duck and incapable of defending itself without, what - about a three hour heads up?

It's an office building. Not Dr. Evil's secret underground lair.

Surely, they knew that a plane was heading straight for them...

Really? How did they know a plane was "heading straight for them?"

surely at this point they knew that other planes had already been hijacked....surely they were just poor sitting ducks...

BTW, the office building is very strongly built. Probably saved some lives.

surely, I would get banned if I really told you how low my opinion is of you, and so I will just add you to my ignore list.

He gets to join me on Ignore? I shall prepare the rites of initiation.

Surely... you are one hopeless individual.

You're wrong about 9/11, friend. Pity you will journey through life in such a way. I for one wouldn't want to.

 

[Belz...]

Common sense ideas tend to relate to events within human experience, and thus commensurate with human scale. Thus there is no commonsense intuition of, for example, the behavior of the universe at subatomic distances or speeds approaching that of light.

Just like there isn't for large, chaotic events like a 110-storey skyscraper falling.

Two philosophers are most famous for advocating the other meaning of "common sense", the view (to state it imprecisely) that common sense beliefs are true and form a foundation for philosophical inquiry: Thomas Reid, G. E. Moore. Both Reid and Moore, individually, are famous for appealing to common sense to refute skepticism.

Isn't that interesting.

No, it really isn't.

 

[Belz...]

Isn't psychology fascinating? I made a very keen observation some time back... about how I didn't think all of you were acting like real skeptics because you weren't skeptical of the official story when it has a million holes in it.

I love when I have an original idea or notion that is beautifully echoed with other research and analysis. Pseudoskeptics - yes, what a perfect nomenclature for this bunch of habitual debunkers.

Are you a psychologist, 28th ? I've been asking this from you for weeks, now.

If not, please stop trying to diagnose other people.

Less prognosis and more evidence, if you will.

 

[Horatius]

Here's what you don't understand. There is no evidence that will convince you 9/11 is an inside job... because in order to espy the truth about 9/11 you need the ability to piece together information in a way that forms a big picture.

And once again, 28th Lie of the Day ignores the fact that several of us have told him what evidence would make us re-consider the Inside Job hypothesis.

In fact, there's a whole thread on the question:

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=71616


Where I linked some of our answers to his first challenge to ID evidence we would acept:

You could also point him to the various answers we gave 28th Kingdom when he made the same challenge.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=2167477#post2167477

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=2167446#post2167446

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=2167529#post2167529

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=2167735#post2167735

And yet, weeks later, he hasn't shown us any of that, but he is still denying (Look! That word he likes!) that such evidence could even possibly exist.

Keep up the lying, 28th! You're doing more damage to your side than any of us ever could!

 

[Horatius]

But he saw this documentary once, and they had missiles, space lasers, tanks and even mutant space lizards guarding it. It was the same one that ChristopherA saw that showed the concrete cores and C4-coated rebar!

It's for true, honest!

And don't doubt for a minute that the mutant space lizards didn't get an ass chewing on the 12th! I mean, we feed them all those virgins, and then they completely dropped the ball!

 

[Horatius]

2.Big picture? Please, dingbat CTist wouldn't know a big picture if it was painted purple dancing naked on top of a harpsicord singing 'Big Pictures are here again'

And he says we have no imagination. It's the harpsicord that really does it

 

[JimBenArm]

And don't doubt for a minute that the mutant space lizards didn't get an ass chewing on the 12th! I mean, we feed them all those virgins, and then they completely dropped the ball!

Well, I've been meaning to tell you guys. One of them wasn't a virgin any more. Sorry!

 

[Hellbound]

Just a side note on "could a kid drive an 18-wheeler":

A better analogy would be:

My kid knows how to drie a go-cart. Could he drive an 18-wheeler if someone who was a professional truck driver started the vehicle and put it into gear for him first?

 

[valis]

My personal favorite, as one versed in statistics and probability, is the Monty Hall Problem.

Common sense would dictate that the odds are 50/50, since how can the doors know whether or not you changed your mind? Nonetheless, play it by the rules of common sense, and you'll probably go home with a new Pet Goat.

I don't think the problem is all that counter intuitive if it is made clear that the host knows what is behind each door. Most of the presentations of the problem I have read don't really make that crystal clear.

 

[aggle-rithm]

Just a side note on "could a kid drive an 18-wheeler":

A better analogy would be:

My kid knows how to drie a go-cart. Could he drive an 18-wheeler if someone who was a professional truck driver started the vehicle and put it into gear for him first?

...plus he didn't have to stay on the roads?

...and could he hit a building with it?

 

[valis]

Wrong!

Common sense is contrary to imagination, because common sense tells you that an object emitting light and travelling at speed will result in that light travelling at it's constant speed plus the speed of the moving object, relative to an observer.

Actually that part isn't the problem. The problem is when you refuse to test what 'common sense' told you or to look at any evidence to the contrary.

 

[aggle-rithm]

Show me proof that the group of men and women who are the highest elected officials in the richest and most powerful nation in the world are incompetent. What, because W. is a lousy speaker?

Maybe they just play dumb on t.v. - maybe they know that people expect less from those who they view as incompetent and so they play that up, in order to use it (incompetence) as a get-out-of-jail-free-card.

Philisophical question: If I call 28k an idiot, and he has me on ignore, have I violated forum rules?

 

[uk_dave]

Philisophical question: If I call 28k an idiot, and he has me on ignore, have I violated forum rules?

No, because it's actually obligatory.

 

[aggle-rithm]

Surely the Pentagon i.e. the headquarters for the world's most elite military defense is a sitting duck and incapable of defending itself without, what - about a three hour heads up? Surely, they knew that a plane was heading straight for them...

Maybe, in the few seconds that it WAS headed straight for them after making a 180-degree turn.

 

[Tirdun]

Philisophical question: If I call 28k an idiot, and he has me on ignore, have I violated forum rules?

That's like a koan, man.
Deeeeep.

 

[Horatius]

Just a side note on "could a kid drive an 18-wheeler":

A better analogy would be:

My kid knows how to drie a go-cart. Could he drive an 18-wheeler if someone who was a professional truck driver started the vehicle and put it into gear for him first?

....and all he needed to do with it was to drive it into the side of the house.

 

[Belz...]

Here's what you don't understand. There is no evidence that will convince you 9/11 is an inside job... because in order to espy the truth about 9/11 you need the ability to piece together information in a way that forms a big picture.

Beign able to assemble evidence to form a coherent theory is one thing (that none of the truthers have managed to pull off), but each piece of evidence MUST stand on its own.

You all like to take things (evidence) one by one in a linear fashion, proceed to "debunk" them, which in your pseudo world really just means "deny" them (burden of proof - who needs that) and then move along to the next thing.

Yes, because only the evidence that is solid can be used to form a theory.

You might also need to look up the phrase "burden of proof" and "justice system".

 

[Belz...]

So flying a two seater and flying a commercial airliner...hey, pretty much the same thing right? I mean if a kid can drive a go-cart than surely they can drive an 18-wheeler.

False equivocation. It would be more akin to me trying to drive an 18 wheeler when I'm used to my electric-blue Mazda Protégé.

Surely the Pentagon i.e. the headquarters for the world's most elite military defense is a sitting duck and incapable of defending itself without, what - about a three hour heads up?

Defending itself ? Is it a Transformer, or something ?

Surely, they knew that a plane was heading straight for them...

Radar isn't that precise. They knew a plane was heading for DC.

surely at this point they knew that other planes had already been hijacked....

Yes, yes they did.

surely, I would get banned if I really told you how low my opinion is of you, and so I will just add you to my ignore list.

There is no one on my ignore list, except poor Oliver, because as long as someone posts things relevant to the topic, it doesn't matter how wrong or different their opinions are. Of course, you could never find out if YOU're wrong because you silence all opposition.

 

[Architect]

Defending itself ? Is it a Transformer, or something ?

La-da-dee....>Transformers>......Pentagon in Disguise......Dum Dah

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