Common Sense

[Calcas]

So flying a two seater and flying a commercial airliner...hey, pretty much the same thing right? I mean if a kid can drive a go-cart than surely they can drive an 18-wheeler.

How many pilots and aviation experts need to explain this to you?

If one has had simulator training, it is NOT difficult to "drive" an airliner that is already airborne. In fact, it's pretty simple.

Why is that hard for you to comprehend?

 

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

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Common sense works for common situations - and even then, be suspicious of what it tells you. Outside of that, forget it.

Well said! Bravo!

Here's what you don't understand. There is no evidence that will convince you 9/11 is an inside job... because in order to espy the truth about 9/11 you need the ability to piece together information in a way that forms a big picture. You all like to take things (evidence) one by one in a linear fashion, proceed to "debunk" them, which in your pseudo world really just means "deny" them (burden of proof - who needs that) and then move along to the next thing.

See, nothing ever adds up with you guys, because you are constantly working from ground zero i.e. square one, the beginning

Odd, I remember at least two different threads where skeptics outlined what would consistute evidence of an inside job. Whereas, every time the question of what would change the CTists position has been posed to them, they have remained steadfastly silent on the issue.

 

[Architect]

Common sense once told me that I'd be safe if I didn't climb at the edge of the snowfield, then I found out what a cornice-induced slab avalanche was......

 

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

One definition of common sense (and I've brought this up in another thread) is the instinctual reasoning required to survive in the environment we evolved in -- the plains of Africa. Much of what we experience in today's world is nothing like what our ancestors would have experienced then, so we lack the wiring to really comprehend it without a mathematical model. This is particularly true of relativity and quantum physics, but is also relevant to more mundane subjects.
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Quite true, and this touches on what M. Shermer discusses in Why People Believe Weird Things in the chapter dealing with hits, misses, false hits, and false misses and how these affect our interpretation of events.

 

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

Common sense once told me that I'd be safe if I didn't climb at the edge of the snowfield, then I found out what a cornice-induced slab avalanche was......

Speaking hypothetically I hope.

 

[maccy]

One of my calculus teachers used to laugh at our incredulity when we came up with HUGE numbers solving word problems to determine the energy released by moving water. It's so hard to believe that this harmless stuff that we bathe and shower in could, in sufficient quantities, rip a building off its foundation.

It's fortunate for us that mathematics happens to be so useful in modelling reality, because our common sense doesn't do so well at this task.

If common sense tells you that an aluminium plane cannot make a hole in a steel building because steel is stronger than aluminium, then consider how its possible to cut steel with water.

Ultimately, I don't think we would have made much scientific progress, as a species, if we hadn't been inspired to keep questioning and testing what our common sense tells us.

 

[Tirdun]

Surely the Pentagon i.e. the headquarters for the world's most elite military defense is a sitting duck and incapable of defending itself without, what - about a three hour heads up?

You have absolutely no clue what goes on at The Pentagon.

It's a big office building.
It has no military capabilities or facilities.
It's where the military interacts with contractors and congress, not where the Green Berets or Delta Force hang out.

 

[JimBenArm]

If common sense tells you that an aluminium plane cannot make a hole in a steel building because steel is stronger than aluminium, then consider how its possible to cut steel with water.

Ultimately, I don't think we would have made much scientific progress, as a species, if we hadn't been inspired to keep questioning and testing what our common sense tells us.

Cut steel with water? Next, you'll be telling me that steel can float on water!

Madness!

 

[JimBenArm]

You have absolutely no clue what goes on at The Pentagon.

It's a big office building.
It has no military capabilities or facilities.
It's where the military interacts with contractors and congress, not where the Green Berets or Delta Force hang out.

But he saw this documentary once, and they had missiles, space lasers, tanks and even mutant space lizards guarding it. It was the same one that ChristopherA saw that showed the concrete cores and C4-coated rebar!

It's for true, honest!

 

[JonnyFive]

You have absolutely no clue what goes on at The Pentagon.

It's a big office building.
It has no military capabilities or facilities.
It's where the military interacts with contractors and congress, not where the Green Berets or Delta Force hang out.

Next you'll be telling me that the White House doesn't have a super guided laser defense array in the roof, and the capital building doesn't have a nuke hidden in that crazy dome!

28th K, could you please provide evidence for your theories and stop ignoring everyone that questions you?

 

[maccy]

You have absolutely no clue what goes on at The Pentagon.

It's a big office building.
It has no military capabilities or facilities.
It's where the military interacts with contractors and congress, not where the Green Berets or Delta Force hang out.

It doesn't matter what the evidence is - that comes from the government anyway so it must be wrong.

In the absence of any actual knowledge about the Pentagon 28th imagines (using his right brain, apparently, and his common sense) that it must have been possible to shoot down Flight 77 before it hit. If he imagines it, it must be true, he doesn't need to produce any evidence.

Any evidence that runs counter to 28th's imagination must be disinformation or doublethink. Thus, nothing can convince him.

 

[uk_dave]

In the absence of any actual knowledge about the Pentagon 28th imagines (using his right brain, apparently, and his common sense) that it must have been possible to shoot down Flight 77 before it hit. If he imagines it, it must be true, he doesn't need to produce any evidence.

Any evidence that runs counter to 28th's imagination must be disinformation or doublethink. Thus, nothing can convince him.

And to take that a step further, he imagines it that way because he is unable to imagine the pentagon being unable to shoot down an incoming plane.

The majority of people on this forum can imagine a huge number of scenarios from 9/11 and that makes it possible for us to imagine and understand the true scenario presented in the official account.

But for those who cannot imagine the towers collapsing through imapct damage and fire, their own 'common sense' tells them it must have had another cause because their imaginations cannot cope with the scenario presented.

 

[Larry Lovage]

Well, how do I know that I can't pass my hand through a steel door?

The point about common sense here perfectly demonstrated. 28th uses "common sense" to tell us that his hand can't pass through a steel door. I've actually seen a truther video which used someone walking through a door as some kind of illustration of how it's "impossible" to be on the other side of the door without opening it. Somehow both the movie makers and 28th have forgotten that with sufficient force, his hand could easily pass through the door. There wouldn't be anything left of his hand, but there doesn't need to be. The answer to his considerations of what NIST should have determined is simply that he does not have the imagination to understand that sufficient forces were more than available in a half-a-million ton building. As calcuated by NIST and by other independent bodies. It is very far from physically impossible for the core to have been crushed down with the rest of the building, seeing as it wasn't made of neutronium but the same stuff as the rest of the building.

Common sense may be telling 28th that a box cutter can't be used as a threatening weapon. Common sense tells me that they bloody well can (in fact I've been scared of Stanley knives my whole life). Common sense tells 28th that a big plane is difficult to fly. Common sense tells me that the hardest parts of learning to fly - takeoff, landing and communications - were not part of what the hijackers needed to do. Incidentally, common sense also tells me that you cannot simultaneously complain that the iggerent ay-rabs couldn't have known how to fly an airplane and at the same time blame the authorities who didn't stop Atta etc from taking flying lessons.

 

[maccy]

Cut steel with water? Next, you'll be telling me that steel can float on water!

Madness!

Common sense tells me that so-called "steel" ships are just wooden ships painted silver by the military-industrial complex. They've paid off the shipbuilders to build steel ships in yards but those are never floated - a wooden ship, painted silver, is substituted secretly, overnight, on launch day. The dummy steel ship is then dismantled so it can be reused for another shipbuilding deception.

Because I'm a proper science type with a 150 IQ, though, I've tested this theory by trying to float a steel fork in a bucket of water. It sank.

 

[maccy]

 

[Curnir]

You have absolutely no clue what goes on at The Pentagon.

It's a big office building.
It has no military capabilities or facilities.
It's where the military interacts with contractors and congress, not where the Green Berets or Delta Force hang out.

Actually the Green Barrets and Delta Force go to one the cafeterias in order to hang out, drink coffee and eat donuts. Every other tuesdays... unless the preceding saturday or sunday had a full moon. In that case they go to hooters.

 

[Regnad Kcin]

Here's what you don't understand. There is no evidence that will convince you 9/11 is an inside job... because in order to espy the truth about 9/11 you need the ability to piece together information in a way that forms a big picture.

Sometimes something comes along that produces fits of giggles. Many thanks for that!

You all like to take things (evidence) one by one in a linear fashion, proceed to "debunk" them, which in your pseudo world really just means "deny" them (burden of proof - who needs that) and then move along to the next thing.

See, nothing ever adds up with you guys, because you are constantly working from ground zero i.e. square one, the beginning

9/11 happened the way it happened. And no amount of fulmination on your or anyone else's part is going to change that.

 

[DavidJames]

Common sense is simply a guised appeal to authority.

The reason many CTist appeal to common sense is pretty simple. What's the alternative? The alternative requires in depth knowledge, gained through education and practical experience of math, physics, engineering, science, etc. of which those CTist have none. How do they combat that deficiency, by replacing knowledge with common sense as the ultimate scale with which to judge the events.

This is where clarsct quote comes into play. The authority to which CTists are appealing is themselves.

 

[Architect]

Speaking hypothetically I hope.

Nope. Scottish Sports Coucil Glenmore Lodge Winter Mountain Rescue Training Course (oh, the irony). We were 3m back from the edge of the cornice, i.e. over rock, when it sheared back at 45 degrees instead of the usual 90 degrees. Took all of the party with it.

All survived (and limped off under our own steam) because we were falling just behind the slab avalance which ensued, but it was still a good 10-15m drop roped to guys with crampons and ice axes.

But hey, snow is soft - common sense says an avalanche couldn't hurt you any more than a snowball!!




Lumps of snow the size of houses, btw. Scary as ◊◊◊◊.

 

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

Sometimes something comes along that produces fits of giggles. Many thanks for that!

9/11 happened the way it happened. And no amount of fulmination on your or anyone else's part is going to change that.

Thanks for quoting that one RK, I didn't catch it the first time around. It certainly seems with this statement

<snip>See, nothing ever adds up with you guys, because you are constantly working from ground zero i.e. square one, the beginning

that 28th is arguing if you do not utilitize confirmational bias and start from an assumption that science doesn't work. Quick someone alert the media!