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Common Sense

Here, 28K, let me help.

Let's take a different event and reveal how it was an inside job. I'm sick of the 9/11 nonsense, so let's take something in which there are now no living survivors.

For this example, I claim the sinking of the RMS Titanic was a conspiracy.

The current Troother system is to make endless lists of either unsupported claims or so-called questions that attack a million tiny bits of the official story. A) isn't big enough. Why is B) ten degrees off center. I heard that C) said such and such. There's no coherence and often contradiction in their questions. Not enough body parts versus no plane at all versus drone/missile in your current gruesome example.

Instead, form a logical argument that takes all evidence into account.

I claim that the discovered wreck of the Titanic shows unmistakable signs of a torpedo hit. I present pictures of that hole and compare it to other torpedo holes in that era. I find experts in iceberg and torpedo damage. I do not entertain the possibility that it was a magic torpedo or a German beam weapon designed to create a hole that looks like a torpedo. I do not make claims that it cannot be an iceberg if the vast consensus of experts say it was an iceberg. I do not claim later that by "torpedo" I meant "mine" or "bomb" or "guy in steerage with a pickaxe". I do not attack the iceberg believers or experts and claim they've been paid off by the bottled water industry. I do not create long lists of vaguely iceberg related questions. I do not bring the motives of the Captain into question when he's dead and has nothing to say on the matter. I do not mention the movie Titanic, the stage play or the book written by Cussler.

Even if this, just this is all you can prove (not who shot the torpedo or why) then you've successfully shown a flaw in the official theory. The problem with every Truther I've been exposed to is that they stop at the first sentence of the above paragraph.
 
And in trooferville, the woowoos take one fact, such as the claim that the titanic was unsinkable and use their common sense to deduce that for an unsinkable ship to sink there must have been more damage than that caused by an iceberg.

The actual design of the ship is of no interest to them, because the designers have stated that it was unsinkable.

A working hypothesis for the damage caused by the iceberg is of no interest to them because it doesn't fit in with their common sense belief that if the ship is said to be unsinkable then that is what it is.

Even precedents showing that other ships, structures and machines which have previously been claimed by their designers or inventors to posses some quality which is subsequently found to be lacking, is of no interest to the troofers common sense.

So, if one person from the design team of the WTC towers makes an ill judged comment regarding the belief that the structures could survive multiple aircraft strikes, so long as this statement conforms to the troofers common sense world view, they will discount all other testimony and evidence to the contrary.

Now, back to counter intuitive examples...come on people, we need lots to throw at the next troofer to come here full of it.... common sense, that it.
 
It's an old post, but:

I've just seen a video of a game called "snooker". Now this game at its "professional" level supposedly involves a precisely made balls, and rigorously scrutinized level surface to play on.

Surely the balls in these conditions would behave in the way that we would expect them to, according to Newtonian physics?

Watch this video



This so-called snooker "player" is hitting the white ball with a cue and causing that ball to hit coloured balls into the pockets around the table. In this video he gets a maximum score of 147 without missing a single shot! Surely the odds against this happening make it impossible?

Also, after the white ball hits a coloured ball, it very rarely continues in the direction it was travelling, as you would expect from common sense and physics (physics being how you would expect things to happen, from common sense). Sometimes the white ball goes off at an angle when it hits the coloured ball, sometimes it stops dead and sometimes it even goes backwards!

Don't tell me that the white ball is spinning. I can see no evidence that it is spinning.

Worse than all this, go to 6 minutes 40 seconds: the player hits the black ball towards one of the pockets, it rebounds off the corners of the pocket, goes all the way across the table and bounces back into the same pocket!

The player even has the cheek to grin as if he wasn't expecting it to happen!

If a controlled Newtonian environment like a snooker table can throw up oddities and flukes such as this one then I'd be forced to concede that's its possible that such things could occur elsewhere.

It must all be faked, the anomalies prove it.

I suspect that the balls are either magnetised and controlled from under the table or they are not there at all - they are simply holograms.

My own eyes tell me that this simply can't be real.
 
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"The Dork Side of the Farce"

Yea... real right-brained... you 3747474. So what do you do for a living? Computer programming?
You, 28 IQ, have again advertised your hard won score on the IQ test (28) by illustrating your total lack of understanding in the area of computer programming and software development.

Which is exactly what I do for a living, and have done for more than 20 years.

Did you know that a very fertile imagination is required if an individual ever hopes to achieve a level of success in the design of software?

But not only that: It requires an abstract imagination. Many concepts in software design have no parallel in the so-called real world. Therefore, language, structure, modular design and object interdependencies have to be imagined inside a separate dimension of reality. Imagining a blue giraffe wearing a pink hat and smoking a purple cigar is one thing. Imagining the branching and looping and analytical logic that is required for a data deduplication module is quite another.

Try it sometime. You might change your mind about software developers. Imagine that!
 
Imagining a blue giraffe wearing a pink hat and smoking a purple cigar is one thing. Imagining the branching and looping and analytical logic that is required for a data deduplication module is quite another.

Try it sometime. You might change your mind about software developers. Imagine that!

And this right here is a good example of why you shouldn't trust "common sense" when dealing with something you don't know much about. When I first read this, I thought "deduplication" was just a typo. Then I decided to Google the term, because it seemed an odd sort of typo.

D'oh!

So if I'd just gone with my "common sense" reaction and posted a snarky typo-comment post, I'd have ended up looking foolish. Instead, I learned sonething new. Whodathunkit?
 
Darn. I was so enjoying learning neat new things about oddities of the real world vs. how we think things should happen. (The balloons and garden hose was particulalry enjoyable for me.)

But then 28th Kingdom popped in and I feel the thread got kind of derailed. Couldn't we all just ignore him this once and go back to showing me how crazy the real world really is? :p
 
And this right here is a good example of why you shouldn't trust "common sense" when dealing with something you don't know much about. When I first read this, I thought "deduplication" was just a typo. Then I decided to Google the term, because it seemed an odd sort of typo.

D'oh!

So if I'd just gone with my "common sense" reaction and posted a snarky typo-comment post, I'd have ended up looking foolish. Instead, I learned sonething new. Whodathunkit?

One of the interesting things about programming is that, the more efficient an algorithm is, the less sense it appears to make. That's because one or more programmers were able to look at the algorithm and realize that a step or two, which common sense might tell us is necessary, is not necessary at all. Over time the code becomes increasingly terse, but it still ends up doing the job it was designed to do.

I came across a line of code like this once, and the programmer had written in his comments: "Good luck figuring this one out!"
 
And common sense tells you that a guy who made his money selling books wouldn't be the one to get a new type of rocket built, but hey, look what happened!

http://public.blueorigin.com/index.html


This reminds me of the DC-X (pbuh). A rocket that takes off and lands vertically, "The way god and Robert Heinlein intended them to!"

I think I'll go shopping on Amazon this evening.....

ETA: And they're hiring. Anyone in school now looking for a cool job, check them out. I'd do it if I was younger.
 
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Common sense has been the bane of scientific progess since time immemorial.

Common sense would dictate:

...that the sun rotates around the earth.

...that if I drop a 1 lb iron ball and a 10 lb iron ball from the same height at the same time, that the 10 lb would hit the ground first.

...that the earth is flat.

...nothing could live at the bottom of the ocean

...that the seasons are caused by the shape of earth's orbit around the sun

...rockets can't work in space because there's nothing to push against

Common sense should never be used in any type of scientific investigation because it leads to false assumptions which invalidate the investigation.
 
If common sense tells you that an aluminium plane cannot make a hole in a steel building because steel is stronger than aluminium, then consider how its possible to cut steel with water.

Ultimately, I don't think we would have made much scientific progress, as a species, if we hadn't been inspired to keep questioning and testing what our common sense tells us.

I have personally blasted a hole through 1/4" plywood with a potato, hairspray and some PVC pipe, yet common 'sence' should say that's not possible.
Next you'll be telling me that the White House doesn't have a super guided laser defense array in the roof, and the capital building doesn't have a nuke hidden in that crazy dome!

28th K, could you please provide evidence for your theories and stop ignoring everyone that questions you?

Don't hold your breath.
 
One of the interesting things about programming is that, the more efficient an algorithm is, the less sense it appears to make. That's because one or more programmers were able to look at the algorithm and realize that a step or two, which common sense might tell us is necessary, is not necessary at all. Over time the code becomes increasingly terse, but it still ends up doing the job it was designed to do.

I came across a line of code like this once, and the programmer had written in his comments: "Good luck figuring this one out!"
Yepper! Lost count the number of times I've been humbled by insisting that something in a module was necessary when it wasn't. In fact it was redundant, and was a speed drag as well.

Destroying code in a module, while having that module perform the same job, is one of the great thrills in life for a software developer.

Or the other thing: I write something, everything looks fine, it doesn't work. After beating my brains out for hours, I'll yell out: "BUT IT MAKES PERFECT SENSE! IT HAS TO WORK!"

Nope. It doesn't work because it's wrong.
 
Common sense is what you say when you want to sound authoritive, but have not a damned blasted thing to hang your ideas upon.

"One's own original ideas are invariably more readily accepted without due scrutiny when they are attributed to a person of esteemed historical significance." -- Thomas Jefferson

;)
 

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