Has Anyone Seen A Realistice Explanation For Free Fall Of The Towers?

[Gravy]

To all who are still posting in this thread:

For a while, I thought that Christopher Brown was a particularly insistent internet troll. I was wrong about that. Many months ago Christopher provided documentary proof of his mental illness.

Since then, many people have continued to try to reason with him, to argue with him, and to taunt him.

I have said this before: I don't think that any of you would stand on a street corner every single day and rehash the same argument with a mentally ill person. The fact that this is so easily done on the internet does not make it a more sensible or a more honorable pursuit.

Seeing this thread grow, week after week, is terribly saddening. I have no authority to compel you to do anything. I just wish you would stop.

 

[Belz...]

Of course there are different lengths dummy, but look how many are the same.

Well, that's amazing considering they were all BUILD THE SAME SIZE

True, but it also mean 15 times stronger at that level which is why the towers stood for 33 years. All structures logically must be designed this way. They were built 6 times stronger than they needed to be if I remember correctly.

Uh-huh. Please remind me NOT to ask your advice when I build my house.

so your sayign the concrete core of your got thicker as it went down? (or rather thinne as it went up)

Yes. There was a serious sacrifice of floor space to accomodate the concrete core with its 17 foot thick walls

AH! Excellent! So you'll have no trouble finding people who can attest to the fact the the lower floors had less office space ?

Considering we've passed 10k posts and 150k views; and there still is not one image of a steel core column at some elevation above ground in the core area shown in an image from the demo; there is a good chance about 50k people do but it's still unconscious for them.

No, no and no. But since you've admitted that you MIGHT be seeing the steel core columns, that whole paragraph can be ignored!!

What would Jesus do?

Unlike the thread, he would die.

 

[Belz...]

Seeing this thread grow, week after week, is terribly saddening. I have no authority to compel you to do anything. I just wish you would stop.

Well, I will anyway.

Chris has admitted that he's not sure about the concrete he keeps seeing, the "box column" nonsense, and etc, etc. So basically he's just resashing his old argument, hoping people will forget that he DID abdicate.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2198816&postcount=10239

So, as far as I'm concerned, I'll lay off from those one, pretty much.

 

[Christophera]

"Pieces of concrete". Would you please alter the image so as to point to each individual "piece", please ? If you can't, it's because you can't see the "pieces".

Of course, all this is academic since you've admitted that dust could produce the same effect.

Certainly you've twisted a statement of mine as you did not quote it for us to prove your contention.

Dust cannot produce the structural elements seen in this image showing theconcrete shear wall.

You said that they could be indistinguishable from box columns. And since you've identified box columns just about everywhere in the collapse and construction pictures, the rest is a no brainer.

Don't cry.

Again you distort and fail to provide a quote that is adequate. This interior box column could be taken for a core columns except IT IS NOT IN THE CORE AREA, it is outside the core area.

Your wish is my command.

Here you said you didn't know how thick the core columns were, after saying numerous times that the columns we were seeing were too thin to be core columns.

Afterwards, you said this. Now, I think this solves this problem.

Now, do you ALSO want me to dig up the one where you said it could be dust ? I already did not long ago.

And I showed where I had actually said that there was ALSO dust inthe image. Misrepresentation are all you have, evidence of my words.

 

[Christophera]

Well, I will anyway.

Chris has admitted that he's not sure about the concrete he keeps seeing, the "box column" nonsense, and etc, etc.

That is not true and you definitely cannot prove it. This IS a 500 foot tall concrete tube and that is why it still stands.

Concrete Core Of WTC 2​

No reasonable alternative explanation has ever been provided.

 

[Arus808]

belz its useless. stop.

 

[Ketyk]

I apologize for not reading all the past 10,000+ post before this.

Maybe Christophera can answer a small question I have.

Which tower fell first, and why? I always get the North Tower mixed up with the South Tower, and actually don't know which was WTC1 and which was WTC2. I should know, but don't, so any help would be appreciated.

WTC 2, the south tower fell first although WTC 1 was hit first on the north side, it fell north. The first tower hit was hit near center with most of the fuel entering the tower to burn. The second tower to be hit, WTC 2, was almost missed, being hit on the south east corner, only one engine contacted the concrete core and most of the fuel burned outside of the tower in a midair firebal, the tower fell east.

Thanks, Christophera, I’ll remember now.

But you never did say why WTC 2 fell first. I’m just curious.

 

[Belz...]

Covered. And Done.

That is not true and you definitely cannot prove it.

No need. You've admitted it yourself.

 

[JonnyFive]

Methinks it's really time to just let this thread rest in peace.

 

[Christophera]

No need. You've admitted it yourself.

That you cannot prove while I can prove there was a concrete core to any who know constrcution, and, I can do it with one image.

Concrete Core Of WTC 2​

All you are capable of doing is misrepresenting construction images in attempts to prove the steel core columns. This, while the image I lnk to above show not steel croe columns when it absolutely should.

 

[Christophera]

Well, that's amazing considering they were all BUILD THE SAME SIZE

I have problems with the sentence strcuture and context. I realize my sentences are less that perfect at times, but this, ............... well, ahem.

What are they?

We are talking about columns and we see many kinds and "they" were not built all the same size.

Perimeter columns were built in irregular panels and delievered to be bolted and welded in.

Interior box columns were delivered in 40 foot pieces and 100% butt welded in place.

Since you said "they" you are including everything in this image.

Uh-huh. Please remind me NOT to ask your advice when I build my house..

As long as you promise to help when I builT my next sentence.

 

[eddyk]

If the US government did 9/11, surely they could easily now fake the discovery and killing on Osama Bin Laden.

Instant popularity rise.

 

[tsig]

If the US government did 9/11, surely they could easily now fake the discovery and killing on Osama Bin Laden.

Instant popularity rise.

Do you enjoy poking at dead dogs?

 

[Christophera]

If the US government did 9/11, surely they could easily now fake the discovery and killing on Osama Bin Laden.

Instant popularity rise.

I believe that the US gov has been infiltrated. If that were the case, there is minimal control and exercise of it must be done very carefully because there are still many, many good Americans in government service.

There was agreat deal of pressure against the destruction of evidence and blocking investigations. Persidentual directive did what was done, but that doesn't even mean the president had anything to do with taking the buildings down, it only means he assisted in the coverup.

 

[firecoins]

I believe that the US gov has been infiltrated. If that were the case, there is minimal control and exercise of it must be done very carefully because there are still many, many good Americans in government service..

Are you saying good Americans have infiltrated the government? OH NO! I'll get to work solving that problem!

 

[Christophera]

Are you saying good Americans have infiltrated the government? OH NO! I'll get to work solving that problem!

You facetious b*stard. Your supposed to be glad and want to help 'em.

How ya' gonna have a happy new year being all confused like that?

 

[Christophera]

You said that they could be indistinguishable from box columns. And since you've identified box columns just about everywhere in the collapse and construction pictures, the rest is a no brainer.

Don't cry.

You support the existence of steel core columns. I show an image of something that can only be concrete.

Concrete Core Of WTC 2​

and the steel columns you claim exist are NOT protruding from the top, If that steel of a smaller size that what I think "core columns" would be is not seen, it is because they did not have the strength to survive the event and fell in a pile in the bottom of the core. That concrete tube in the linked image above.

You are the one that believes they existed. Why don't you have plans showing them, showing their dimensions? They were supposedly braced. Where is this braced assembly?

You are the one that says they existed, you document their sizes. I now they did not and instead there was a concrete core with shear wall.

Here you said you didn't know how thick the core columns were, after saying numerous times that the columns we were seeing were too thin to be core columns.

Afterwards, you said this. Now, I think this solves this problem.

Now, do you ALSO want me to dig up the one where you said it could be dust ? I already did not long ago.

The columns that are shown as "core columns" (bottom) laying inside a building, are "MASSIVE BOX COLUMNS", but as you can see, those are not inside the core area, and IF they were that big they would have survived to be seen in the following attached image. The puny steel from the above linked image of the overhead of the core area, is also not seen where rebar is.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=4728&stc=1&d=1167192699

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=4729&stc=1&d=1167192788

 

[hcmom]

...Many months ago Christopher provided documentary proof of his mental illness.
...Since then, many people have continued to try to reason with him, to argue with him, and to taunt him.
...I have no authority to compel you to do anything. I just wish you would stop.

Methinks it's really time to just let this thread rest in peace.

While I really haven't tried to reason, argue or even taunt Chris, somehow what Gravy said manages to feel more realistice than saying Chris lost, or cat pictures or others saying that Chris has mental problems.

I guess part of my problem with quitting here is that I didn't want Chris to be mentally ill, because I truly like it when he's funny/clever.

But I think I'll make this part of my stop-trying-to-change-things-that-can't-be-changed New Year's resolution, and leave this thread alone.

 

[Big Al]

Yep, I'm outa here, too. Happy New Year, all, see you in some other thread.

 

[Belz...]

Sorry, you lose.

Bye chris.