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WTC Discussion: Core Column Temperature & Failure.

28th Kingdom said:
Use magnesium instead of aluminum in the thermite mixture...problem solved. Magnesium ignites at 632°C - I win.
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"Hey, ONE word in there agrees with me. I'll take TEN of those!"

Just give up...you just perfectly exemplified the usage of big terms to feign a cohesive counterpoint that makes no logical sense concept. Nothing more than a bunch of generic verbiage...that exists completely outside of the environment in which we are investigating...
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"Expertise is USELESS. The elite will feel our wrath on the day of reckoning. Laymen will RULZ!"
 
28th Kingdom said:
I'll be honest...I'm trying to engage in a left-brain debate with you all...and so I need breaks...I'm extremely right-brained, and when you force me to break things down into such small detail in a linear fashion...it really enervates me.
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You're what ? Right-brained ?

What in the blue HELL does this mean ?

Left-brained people are so unbelievably naive.
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Okay, REALLY. You're going to have to spell this out for me.

What's a left-brainer ? And are you aware that everyone uses both hemispheres ? Are you also aware that both of them have their own personality and "mind", but that, normally, they are fused into one so you don't notice ?

Is there anything else you "know" about the brain ?
 
28th Kingdom said:
The problem is that left-brain people...although genius-like in certain aspects of sciences and studies...have absolutely NO common sense. And, I mean NONE!
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Ooohh... Now I get it. You're using the tired old people's version of psychology. Freud is still the man, and all that. Got it.

That's why there is such a problem with our communication...we see the world in two entirely different ways. Right Brain people...SEE THE WHOLE FORREST i.e. the big picture. AND left-brained people only see parts of the forest i.e. THE TREES
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Oh, so the left hemisphere is useless, while the right one does everything a man needs ?

That's good to know. I have a brain and a half.
 
Belz... said:
Ah, yes. Common sense. The thing that gave us space shuttles and antibiotics.



...wait a minute!
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I've been reading Richard Dawkin's "Unweaving the Rainbow", and his angle on the "common sense" issue is that our brains are evolved to deal with average-sized, slow-moving things found on the African continent. In a way it's unnatural for us to understand the very large, the very small, and the very fast-moving. Fortunately, just about everything we observe can be modelled using mathematics, and that we CAN understand.

At least, some of us can.
 
28th Kingdom said:
I'll be honest...I'm trying to engage in a left-brain debate with you all...and so I need breaks...I'm extremely right-brained, and when you force me to break things down into such small detail in a linear fashion...it really enervates me.
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FYI -- there are a lot of misconceptions about how the different hemispheres of the brain work.

Humans usually have one hemisphere that controls verbal skills. That is usually the same one that controls the dominant hand, but in most left-handed people, and some right-handed people, the dominant hand is controlled by the hemisphere opposite the one that controls verbal skills. You can spot these people because they oddly twist their hand around the pen when they write.

The left brain doesn't always control verbal skills, sometimes it is the right brain.

Also, some scientists avoid the use of the words "dominant" and "non-dominant" because neither hemisphere is really dominant; we think of the right brain as being dominant because we tend to focus our thougts verbally, and that's what the verbal hemisphere of the brain does.

What is often referred to as the "right" brain or the "non-dominant" brain is probably better termed the "non-verbal" brain. Although it isn't capable of verbal thought, it heavily influences our actions, including verbal communication (although it's the verbal brain that forms the words, "You're a witch, I hate you!", it's the non-verbal brain that's the source of the sentiment). The part of the non-verbal brain corresponding to the speech center of the verbal brain appears to control the expression and reception of music.

It's really overly simplistic to say that one side is rational to the exclusion of emotion, and the other side is emotional to the exclusion of rationality. Rationality is able to overcome emotionality largely through the inhibiting action of the frontal lobes, in both hemispheres.

OK, back to our regularly scheduled pointless nonsense.
 
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aggle-rithm said:
It's really overly simplistic to say that one side is rational to the exclusion of emotion, and the other side is emotional to the exclusion of rationality. Rationality is able to overcome emotionality largely through the inhibiting action of the frontal lobes, in both hemispheres.

OK, back to our regularly scheduled pointless nonsense.
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The brain, like everything else apparently, is way more complicated and interesting than 28th thinks it is. I've always been facinated by how the brain works, but I could never study it in detail, because I keep getting squicked out whenever I think too much about how many things could do wrong with it...

I've always been particularly weirded out by things like the Split-brain phenomenon, where the corpus collosum is severed. Really neat stuff, there.
 
The right part seems also be the one responsible for interpreting 3d. I remember there was a guy who really didn't see that, a 90 degree angle from a house or cube for drawed on paper is of course not 90 degree on the paper itself if you measure it, he didn't see it and understand it, never but he was excellent in programming machine code and all that stuff.
 
Not surprising...to see a Doublethinker... with a proclivity for paradoxical phrases. :)

To understand recursion, you must first understand recursion.
 
Okay, now. Pay attention, 007.

28th Kingdom said:
I'm only saying that a right-brain person will be able to confidently proclaim, that this building (WTC 7) could not have symmetrically collapsed, in seconds...due to random damage i.e. a few scattered fires and some exterior damage.
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SOME exterior damage ? Two giant jet smashed into them. Did you miss that ?

The only significant damage on the interior of the building was caused by scattered fires throughout a few floors...
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Not scattered according to the visual evidence and reports. What are you basing this claim upon ?

yet the entire steel structure failed on all 47 stories - and all at once.
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All at once ? Again, source ?

Common sense tells us...that this isn't even remotely possible.
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Common sense also tells you the earth is FLAT.

Steel structured high-rise buildings don't just fall to the ground, because of a few fires...if that were the case, the entire NYC skyline would look vastly different.
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You might also notice that none of the other buildings were rammed by 767s at full speed.

Main Entry: common sense
Function: noun
: sound and prudent judgment based on a simple perception of the situation or facts
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Simple perception < Detailed analysis.

See, left-brained people have a penchant to make things more complex than they really are...
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A 110-storey building that collapses in the middle of one of the world's largest cities after a plane impact that ignited an inferno is NOT a simple event.

which can often lead to an acute case of myopia. (Can't see the forest for the trees) They (left-brain) get so absorbed in the data and facts...that they often lose sight of the big picture.
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A picture is made of pixels, 28.

Sure, if we're talking about quantum mechanics, string theory or holographic universes - hey...let's get technical and in depth. But, sometimes and in certain situations it's possible to make a sound judgment using just simple perception of the situation.
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Which is why no one studies engineering.

Oh, wait...

I can see how CTist might come on here...and think you guys are stupid, because it can appear that way. But, like I have stated in the past...this has nothing to do with IQ, or intelligence. It has more to do with how left/right brain people process information.
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As opposed to HARE-brained.

Common sense is sort of like an image or visualization you get, that allows you (based upon rudimentary logic) to make an extremely sound and prudent judgment of the events observed. Common sense is like saying steel is stronger than plastic...
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Common sense would also tell you that steel performs better in a building fire than wood. Can you guess if common sense is right, this time ?
 
Horatius said:
I've always been particularly weirded out by things like the Split-brain phenomenon, where the corpus collosum is severed. Really neat stuff, there.
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That's one of my favourites, and I've mentioned it above. People with severed corpus form two distinct personalities, as each brain is only aware of what the other is doing indirectly.

Here's a very interesting article about all that stuff:

http://www.ebonmusings.org/atheism/ghost.html

For example, if one eye is covered, the associated brain hemisphere cannot determine, ever, what the other one is seeing, giving some very interesting results.

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Belz... said:
You're what ? Right-brained ?

What in the blue HELL does this mean ?



Okay, REALLY. You're going to have to spell this out for me.

What's a left-brainer ? And are you aware that everyone uses both hemispheres ? Are you also aware that both of them have their own personality and "mind", but that, normally, they are fused into one so you don't notice ?

Is there anything else you "know" about the brain ?
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I think he means hes a "Non Brainer" Belz :D
 
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