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WTC Discussion: Core Column Temperature & Failure.

28th Kingdom said:
Hey, here's a video I think you might all like:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Ml_n5gJgQ_U

This has a scientific breakdown of the WTC 7 free fall speeds.
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No. It has a breakdown presented by someone with a deep voice; that might look and sound like science to you, but it ain't.

Looking at your video, did you notice that their clock started well after the building began to fall? Even when they did their stop-analysis, and say "the ball has just been released, but WT7 is still at the starting line", it is clear that the left side of the building has already begun collapsing. The inertia from the left side gives a jump start to the measured (right) side; of course the time they get is faster than would be expected if the right side were falling independently of the left.

Did you even look at the video?
 
28th Kingdom said:
"Video evidence also showed unambiguously that the collapse progressed from the top to the bottom, and there was no evidence ... of any blast or explosions in the region below the impact and fire floors as the top building sections ... began their downward movement upon collapse initiation."

Now, we know that's a lie..because we've all seen video of squibs shooting out, some 20-30 floors below the collapse point.
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Those aren't explosions, as we've said numerous times. They don't have the look of an explosion, but rather a jet of material, ejected because of air pressure. They don't explode, they flow.

Also, they are far too numerous and erratic to be planned explosions. If they ARE explosions, then they didn't have any effect on the collapse, which makes the conspirators very, very stupid.
 
Mercutio said:
Looking at your video, did you notice that their clock started well after the building began to fall? Even when they did their stop-analysis, and say "the ball has just been released, but WT7 is still at the starting line", it is clear that the left side of the building has already begun collapsing.
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With people like that, who needs scientists ?
 
Mercutio said:
No. It has a breakdown presented by someone with a deep voice; that might look and sound like science to you, but it ain't.

Looking at your video, did you notice that their clock started well after the building began to fall? Even when they did their stop-analysis, and say "the ball has just been released, but WT7 is still at the starting line", it is clear that the left side of the building has already begun collapsing. The inertia from the left side gives a jump start to the measured (right) side; of course the time they get is faster than would be expected if the right side were falling independently of the left.

Did you even look at the video?
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What are you talking about...the clock counts down first...and then counts back up once the building starts to fall. It almost looks like the clock starts counting back up before the building collapses...which would add more time to the collapse, not less.
 
28th Kingdom said:
What are you talking about...the clock counts down first...and then counts back up once the building starts to fall. It almost looks like the clock starts counting back up before the building collapses...which would add more time to the collapse, not less.
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We're not looking at the same video, then. The building clearly begins to collapse BEFORE the clock goes back up.

Also, you might want to take into consideration that the 100 meter figure is an approximation.

Also, you might want to take into consideration that the collapse wasn't symmetrical, and that the whole building isn't seen on the video.

Also, you might want to take into consideration that parts of the building's interior DID collapse before any clear sign was visible outside, which would remove some of the building's resistance to its own collapse.
 
28th Kingdom said:
What are you talking about...the clock counts down first...and then counts back up once the building starts to fall. It almost looks like the clock starts counting back up before the building collapses...which would add more time to the collapse, not less.
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Look at 3:30 into your video. When they stop the clock initially, saying that the building has not yet begun to collapse, it is quite clear that the other side has been collapsing already. That is enough to dismiss the video right there. In addition, though, it is impossible to tell from the video anything at all about the collapse of internal structures. We know (because of the collapse of the other side) that internal structures are already collapsing, but the video cannot tell us for how long this has been going on. (Of course, any internal collapse of structural elements that are connected with the corner your video measures will give its collapse a boost.)

What is clear is that the filmmakers chose to measure the last of the corners to fall, and to omit (through ignorance or deceit) any discussion of internal collapse. To consider this "scientific" is laughable.
 
Belz... said:
Also, you might want to take into consideration that parts of the building's interior DID collapse before any clear sign was visible outside, which would remove some of the building's resistance to its own collapse.
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Not merely remove resistance to collapse, but provide inertia for faster wall collapse, IF the internal structures were still attached to the wall. Think of it as a deadly sort of "crack the whip".
 
28th Kingdom said:
What are you talking about...the clock counts down first...and then counts back up once the building starts to fall. It almost looks like the clock starts counting back up before the building collapses...which would add more time to the collapse, not less.
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28k, why does your fuzzy video only show the right side of the building?

You do know of course, that the left (east) side of the penthouse was the first visual evidence from the north that the collapse had started.

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Here it is, a couple of days after he decided to ignore all the people he thought were causing problems, and despite the fact that he's no longer being inundated with posts and cats and posts by cats, the quality of his arguments still hasn't improved.

And is anyone else annoyed by his constant use of "enervate" and "enervating"? It's like that's the only fancy word he knows.....Who does that remind me of?

Oh! I know!



[DaveFoley]Now get the hell out of my forum![/DaveFoley]
 
28th Kingdom said:
Hey, here's a video I think you might all like:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Ml_n5gJgQ_U

This has a scientific breakdown of the WTC 7 free fall speeds.
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No, they cannot have a faster than gravity acceleration fall! They also are missing many floors or have changed the time.

I counted 15 seconds on one video if you look to the side and see the building falling the remaining 20 or 15 floor to the ground.

Liars and CT nut cases are now generating false junk. They stop the video before you can see the building still moving down. Why?
 
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How did wtc7 get its initial momentum, there was no upper block getting an initial momentum and it was no progressive collapse, that would take about 8.5 seconds with the Greening formalism.

Does wtc7's collapse already have an exotic name ?
 
What's gonna happen if NIST's WTC 7 report - concludes that explosives are what brought it down? Hahahahahaha - Are you gonna disagree with them?

Worlds are colliding, Jerry.
 
28th Kingdom said:
What's gonna happen if NIST's WTC 7 report - concludes that explosives are what brought it down? Hahahahahaha - Are you gonna disagree with them?

World's are colliding, Jerry.
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If they say that, I presume they will back it up with evidence. If they back it up with the video you showed, then yes, I will disagree with them.

But for your own sake, don't bet the ranch on the NIST report concluding that explosives brought WT7 down.

Unless you want to bet me, that is. I could use some money.
 
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