This place is overflowing with kooks.
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Ok 100 of them were you but the rest are still there.
Not all JREF. A lot are gummit employees, keeping track on all you woo woos.
Morphology
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it would be equally...retarded...to look at the stream of false flag operations and simply assume that this was another.”
I’m aware of Hume’s problem with induction. Thing is, when people see the sun rising every morning they tend to assume a sort of pattern at work. If I gaze at the horizon before day break and witness a general brightening effect I may very well conclude that the sun is about to rise. So it is with false flag operations and 911. All the indicators are there.
Operation Gladio? Wasn't that the plan to stop Spartacus from ravaging Rome?
You’re on the right track. The term “Gladio” refers to a short double edged sort used by Roman legionnaires 2000 years ago. In France Gladio was termed "Glaive", in Austria, "Schwert," Turkish Gladio was named "Red Sheepskin", Sweden's group was called "Sveaborg."
Belgium had a particularly noxious unit. They put on masks, strolled into supermarkets and gunned down old ladies and children – for a good cause, of course.
Incidentally, the man originally appointed to lead the 911 investigation – Henry Kissinger – was deeply involved in operation Gladio.
I've always been fascinated by this line of troofer logic, could you enlighten us retards how having a war game facilitates an actual attack?
Sure. War games serve as a “conduit”, as well as a means of plausible deniability (the first rule of intelligence). Thus, when Russian FSB agents were caught red handed planting bombs in an apartment complex, they claimed it was a drill. They also claimed, falsely, that the explosives were fake. The police chief said otherwise.
Oklahoma had a drill, 911 had several “hijacking” drills involving drone aicraft, 77 had drills based on a terror attack occurring on the London underground. Same time, same place, same scenario. Connect the dots.
Please start by showing us the evidence that shows there were 'war games “simulating” attacks on the same targets in the same matter that occurred' on 9/11.
Google’s your friend. Use it. Apparently I cannot post URL’s on this forum. Go read Tarpley’s or Ruppert’s books and feast your eyes.
For some psychological and emotional reasons, you all see the world as an evil, backstabbing, deceitful, untrustworthy place.
I regard states as such. The world itself cannot be reduced to “good” or “evil”. Only a fool would place their trust in the benevolence of government officials. Put on your thinking cap.
Zionists, to Freemasons, to Illuminati, to NWO, to PNAC, to Trilateral Commission, to CFR.
This is called bracketing. It’s a common propaganda technique. You’re conflating actual organizations like the Trilateral Commission with alleged (or long extinct) organizations like the illuminati. I understand your reluctance to embrace a unified field theory. I do not believe in a “grand puppet master” either. I also understand that “conspiracism” can be a negative force, causing people to focus on the shadow rather than the substance. Ultimately, if we wish to understand the way our society functions, we have to embrace both conspiratorial and institutional analyses. That means taking seriously the ubiquitous “black op”.
You live in a world where anyone could be an agent, a paid liar, an informant, a shill, etc etc.
I try not to accuse specific individuals of shillery. Unfortunately, there are indeed plenty of paid liars running about. Joan Mellon’s book on Jim Garrison’s instigation of the JFK assassination reveals a massive effort by the CIA to discredit his work, involving literally hundreds of people.
I feel really bad for ya dude. Seek help.
I’ll be ok. But thanks for the kindly concern.
although transcripts of the conversations with ATC and NEADs seems to show this wasnt the case, it took all of 2 seconds for them to say "this is real life, not excercise"
Go Google “Robin Hordon”. You’ll find some interesting tid bits from an air traffic controller, which you will then dismiss out of irrational bias.
Zumindest versucht er lustig zu sein.
Danke.
The CTers call the family members who received phone calls from the planes liars.
Some do, some don’t. There are various theories. Some involve the “hijacking drills” occurring at the same time as the actual events. Either way, the cell phone calls are irrelevant as to the question: were elements within the US government complicit? The answer is yes.
ad hominem arguments and appeal to pity.
I apologize. I couldn’t resist. “Appeal to pity” is not apt, however. Appeal to justice better said.
The real things they should be skeptical about are dismissed because they're too boring
I agree in part.
the problem ith CTers is they dont see it that way, to them the government is a singular monolithic entity
Quite the opposite, actually. So-called Cters tend to view states as they actually are – complex. Conversely, a familiar refrain for OFT (official fairy tale) adherents is to attribute all-encompassing powers to specific individuals or administrations. Eg. “Bush is incompetent ergo 911 was not an inside job”.
Such opinions are easily debunked by a cursory glance at the history of intelligence. For instance, Eisenhower’s Board of Consultants on Foreign Intelligence Activities concluded that the CIA was “operating for the most part on an autonomous and free-wheeling basis in highly critical areas”.
Looks like a hit and run post. No cajones to back up his spew.
Patience grasshoppers.
I’m aware of Hume’s problem with induction. Thing is, when people see the sun rising every morning they tend to assume a sort of pattern at work. If I gaze at the horizon before day break and witness a general brightening effect I may very well conclude that the sun is about to rise. So it is with false flag operations and 911. All the indicators are there.
Operation Gladio? Wasn't that the plan to stop Spartacus from ravaging Rome?
You’re on the right track. The term “Gladio” refers to a short double edged sort used by Roman legionnaires 2000 years ago. In France Gladio was termed "Glaive", in Austria, "Schwert," Turkish Gladio was named "Red Sheepskin", Sweden's group was called "Sveaborg."
Belgium had a particularly noxious unit. They put on masks, strolled into supermarkets and gunned down old ladies and children – for a good cause, of course.
Incidentally, the man originally appointed to lead the 911 investigation – Henry Kissinger – was deeply involved in operation Gladio.
I've always been fascinated by this line of troofer logic, could you enlighten us retards how having a war game facilitates an actual attack?
Sure. War games serve as a “conduit”, as well as a means of plausible deniability (the first rule of intelligence). Thus, when Russian FSB agents were caught red handed planting bombs in an apartment complex, they claimed it was a drill. They also claimed, falsely, that the explosives were fake. The police chief said otherwise.
Oklahoma had a drill, 911 had several “hijacking” drills involving drone aicraft, 77 had drills based on a terror attack occurring on the London underground. Same time, same place, same scenario. Connect the dots.
Please start by showing us the evidence that shows there were 'war games “simulating” attacks on the same targets in the same matter that occurred' on 9/11.
Google’s your friend. Use it. Apparently I cannot post URL’s on this forum. Go read Tarpley’s or Ruppert’s books and feast your eyes.
For some psychological and emotional reasons, you all see the world as an evil, backstabbing, deceitful, untrustworthy place.
I regard states as such. The world itself cannot be reduced to “good” or “evil”. Only a fool would place their trust in the benevolence of government officials. Put on your thinking cap.
Zionists, to Freemasons, to Illuminati, to NWO, to PNAC, to Trilateral Commission, to CFR.
This is called bracketing. It’s a common propaganda technique. You’re conflating actual organizations like the Trilateral Commission with alleged (or long extinct) organizations like the illuminati. I understand your reluctance to embrace a unified field theory. I do not believe in a “grand puppet master” either. I also understand that “conspiracism” can be a negative force, causing people to focus on the shadow rather than the substance. Ultimately, if we wish to understand the way our society functions, we have to embrace both conspiratorial and institutional analyses. That means taking seriously the ubiquitous “black op”.
You live in a world where anyone could be an agent, a paid liar, an informant, a shill, etc etc.
I try not to accuse specific individuals of shillery. Unfortunately, there are indeed plenty of paid liars running about. Joan Mellon’s book on Jim Garrison’s instigation of the JFK assassination reveals a massive effort by the CIA to discredit his work, involving literally hundreds of people.
I feel really bad for ya dude. Seek help.
I’ll be ok. But thanks for the kindly concern.
although transcripts of the conversations with ATC and NEADs seems to show this wasnt the case, it took all of 2 seconds for them to say "this is real life, not excercise"
Go Google “Robin Hordon”. You’ll find some interesting tid bits from an air traffic controller, which you will then dismiss out of irrational bias.
Zumindest versucht er lustig zu sein.
Danke.
The CTers call the family members who received phone calls from the planes liars.
Some do, some don’t. There are various theories. Some involve the “hijacking drills” occurring at the same time as the actual events. Either way, the cell phone calls are irrelevant as to the question: were elements within the US government complicit? The answer is yes.
ad hominem arguments and appeal to pity.
I apologize. I couldn’t resist. “Appeal to pity” is not apt, however. Appeal to justice better said.
The real things they should be skeptical about are dismissed because they're too boring
I agree in part.
the problem ith CTers is they dont see it that way, to them the government is a singular monolithic entity
Quite the opposite, actually. So-called Cters tend to view states as they actually are – complex. Conversely, a familiar refrain for OFT (official fairy tale) adherents is to attribute all-encompassing powers to specific individuals or administrations. Eg. “Bush is incompetent ergo 911 was not an inside job”.
Such opinions are easily debunked by a cursory glance at the history of intelligence. For instance, Eisenhower’s Board of Consultants on Foreign Intelligence Activities concluded that the CIA was “operating for the most part on an autonomous and free-wheeling basis in highly critical areas”.
Looks like a hit and run post. No cajones to back up his spew.
Patience grasshoppers.
Oliver
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No no - with me i guess there are 4 JREF´ers active right now.
The rest of the sceptics were banned and i don´t know if they
all were JREF´er. I doubt that.
20 of the banned ones were me and 50 ones are still puppets.
defaultdotxbe
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this is my point exactly, you are citing the conclusion arrived at 50 years ago of how the CIA operated 50 years ago in the world as it was 50 years ago and it is not necessarily descriptive of the organizations activities today
is there a clintons board of consultants on foreign intelligence activities?
Kiwiwriter
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Oh, jeez...
Another "Twoofer" whose main argument is:
"Go look it up yourself and do the research for me. The burden of proof is on you. All I'm required to do is deny reality."
Your story, you prove your argument.
Another "Twoofer" whose main argument is:
"Go look it up yourself and do the research for me. The burden of proof is on you. All I'm required to do is deny reality."
Your story, you prove your argument.
I didn;t expect you to be so proud of having so much time on your hands.
28th Kingdom
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Morph...you are wasting time with these left-brain radicals. This is a suicide mission...abort now. That's an order, soldier.
Gravy
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Name one. Just one. You don't have to name "several." Just one.
Betcha you can't.
Can you, Morphology?
defaultdotxbe
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and take 28th and wizard with you when you go ^^^
Gravy
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My challenge extends to you, 28th. Knock yourself out. We look forward to reviewing your evidence.
Oliver
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I´m not proud and i posted only 15 messages in the
last 4 Weeks over there.
Thats 1.866 posts per day.
I was one. Started a thread about the Bermass DOD BS. Not only did Dylan ban me, he erased the thread. Something about Dylan trying to claim it was all a joke. I called him on it, then I got my second badge, and the rest is history!
FCUK'em...
DT
And what were they doing? Exactly!
rwguinn
Penultimate Amazing
Don't let him (it?) leave till he actually answers one (1) question. I don't even care which one. Just pick one! Any one!