This is the thread that may very well change the way you look at 9/11 FOREVER!

[aggle-rithm]

Um, you wanted to know why they're weren't any whistleblowers, and I'm showing you there are...and why it doesn't CHANGE A THING. You all said one whistleblower with documents proving government involvement is all it takes to bring the government down. This guy says he has had direct communication with this whistleblower:

I have had a number of email exchanges with Ms. Edmonds. She states that she has documents which will implicate people at very high levels in government in their actions around 9/11. The fact that she was allowed to testify to a Congressional committee was a major breakthrough in her case, though we need more coverage. She is a key player in exposing the massive 9/11 cover-up. With very best wishes, Fred Burks for the WantToKnow.info team

She says she has the documents to prove the government was involved in 9/11....why don't you either contact Fred Burks or contact Ms. Edmonds yourselves.

Would you mind using quotation marks? If not read carefully, this might create the impression that YOU actually spoke to Ms. Edmonds, rather than some unnamed source who may or may not be telling the truth.

 

[jhunter1163]

I've mentioned this before, but it bears repeating here. For someone supposedly under a gag order, Sibel Edmonds gets a LOT of press.

 

[aggle-rithm]

15 of the 19 hijackers fail to fill in visa documents properly in Saudi Arabia. Only six are interviewed. All 15 should have been denied entry to the US. Washington Post, 10/22/02 Two top Republican senators say if State Department personnel had merely followed the law, 9/11 would not have happened.

So, bureaucratic incompetence is evidence of a conspiracy?

Can you tell me what conspiracy the botched campaign in Iraq is evidence of?

 

[jsfisher]

Finally one of YOU admits that this is not A cat!

There may be hope for you insane "SKEPtics" yet!

Everyone knows "CATS" have four FEET, and this spider MONKEY only has two!

Of course it is not a cat, but it is not a spider monkey, either.

Note the silvery luster? This is clearly a block of aluminum tarnished by the black slag from a thermite reaction.

 

[aggle-rithm]

44 pages of complete tripe. That's 20 minutes of my life I won't get back.

I must the say thread title is somewhat misleading. It ought to be renamed "The thread that will confirm that 9/11 conspiracy nuts are brainless oafs".

Oh, come now! There's no evidence that troofers were placed in their cribs by ogres who swapped out the parent's real children for one of their own (although it can't be ruled out, of course). Also, there is abundant evidence of poorly functioning brains amongst the troofers, so the "brainless" hypothesis is disproven.

See, 28k? I'm in your corner!

 

[JAStewart]

Of course it is not a cat, but it is not a spider monkey, either.

Note the silvery luster? This is clearly a block of aluminum tarnished by the black slag from a thermite reaction.

You're such a disinfo agent.

Thats obviously a cat but its a really bad government hologram because the SUPERDOOPERSMART government who carried out 9/11 forgot that cats have 4 legs.

Go back to shilltown

 

[aggle-rithm]

Of course it is not a cat, but it is not a spider monkey, either.

Note the silvery luster? This is clearly a block of aluminum tarnished by the black slag from a thermite reaction.

THIS is a cat:

Notice it doesn't look anything like the object posted by jsfisher.

 

[Tirdun]

A good start would be to test the null hypothesis: Molten slag CAN change colors. This should be easy to test; just ask a steelworker if you could observe his work for a few minutes. If the null hypothesis is proved, then the hypothesis is falsified, and you can go on about your life, such as it is.

You'd specifically want to watch steel recycling workers as opposed to guys building new product. There's no real incentive for a steelworker in a teardown situation like the pit at ground zero to do a careful or neat job. Getting it out of the way and small enough to haul as quickly as possible is top priority.

 

[Porkpie Hat]

You'll be glad to know that I've just dispacthed 4 of my fastest carrier pigeons, one in each direction, to intercept the one I sent to ....... He Who Has No Name Other Than The Big Owl......Him.

Now - I will be forced to notify your handler of the security breach. Be ready to report to the airport for Chemtrail tank duty.

Agreed...nuff said...just puuulease don't tell The Big Owl and I'll do whatever you request.

Can I bring the RD-1012 with me to the airport? He can spot a chemtrail from 10kms out regardless of weather conditions.

Puuulease, puuulease can I play with the RD-1012?

 

[JonnyFive]

I think I've figured it out: 28K is simply talking about the upcoming movie "9/11 Forever" about a man driven insane by his obsession with 9/11 conspiracy theories and his increasing paranoia and belief that government agents are controlling his mind.

He's just a Hollywood marketing device, I get it.

 

[defaultdotxbe]

You DO realise that Sibel Edmunds complaint was that the translation of documents after 9/11 was being deliberately slowed in order to increase funding for what would be percieved as an overworked and understaffed department and that she believes this was leaving the US dangerously open to acts of terror by islamic extremists?

You do realise that don't you?

28th, like most CTers ive encountered, doesnt seem to understand the difference between complacency and complicity

com·pla·cen·cy (k

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[Horatius]

Fred Burks – Before resigning from the US State Department in 2004 due to excessive secrecy demands, Fred Burks served for many years as a language interpreter for presidents and other dignitaries. He interpreted for Bush, Clinton, Gore, Cheney, and many other top officials of the US and other countries. Having participated in numerous secret meetings where the only people allowed were the principles and their interpreters, he has acquired important inside information and contacts.

Click that link to see who this guy is and what he's about.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A49449-2004Dec8.html

NOW this is PROOF that 9/11 was an inside JOB!

Burks interpreted for Bush at an Oval Office meeting with Indonesian President Megawati Sukarnoputri in September 2001, eight days after the terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon. He says Bush displayed such a detailed grasp of Indonesian issues at the meeting that he came away thinking the president must have been fed information through a hidden earpiece.

Exactly LIKE this is not a CAT of the colour BLACK!!!!!

 

[JonnyFive]

Exactly LIKE this is not a CAT of the colour BLACK!!!!!

Now, that is one of the cutest 3" REBAR ON 4' CENTERS I've ever seen. Just look at that face... all coated in C4 and ready to start the next phase of the NWO's doomsday scenario.

 

[Horatius]

Now, that is one of the cutest 3" REBAR ON 4' CENTERS I've ever seen. Just look at that face... all coated in C4 and ready to start the next phase of the NWO's doomsday scenario.

Why do you hate Canada?

 

[28th Kingdom]

44 pages of complete tripe. That's 20 minutes of my life I won't get back. I must the say thread title is somewhat misleading. It ought to be renamed "The thread that will confirm that 9/11 conspiracy nuts are brainless oafs".

Hey,

I can see your point...this thread is misleading - given the fact that the MOST IMPORTANT post I made in this entire thread has been REMOVED! This debate was being covered in two threads, and since people were requesting my theories in both threads I posted this in both threads...THAT'S THE ONLY TIME I HAVE DONE THIS. Here is a link to my post in the other thread:

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2171773#post2171773

Please, reply to it in this thread for consolidation purposes. Also, one point I make in this post is...about how the "upper mass" on WTC 2 falls over and to the side...just seconds after the collapse begins...I have a link to a video showing this (in the above post) but I found a better clip that shows the upper mass on WTC 2 tipping over even more. Watch this vid at 1:00 to see what I am talking about:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGrRUdNE81A

I mentioned in the post linked above...at how I scientifically proved, that although we can't see the upper mass for the entire collapse (because of the dust cloud obscuring view) that using the law of inertia, we can conclude that this upper mass...couldn't have returned back above the lower floors, without some outside forcing pushing it back over there.

Since NIST clearly states that this upper mass is the force that was used to collapse each lower floor in succession...if the upper mass is removed than the collapse should theoretically stop moving downward according to NIST, because the weight of one floor collapsing (without any mass above it) isn't enough weight/force/potential energy to cause the floor below it to collapse - and so on and so forth.

Sidenote: And since, when was linking to documented evidence that you requested i.e. whistleblower - considered spam? How else can I present the evidence of a whistleblower without referring you to other resources?

Thanks.

 

[HyJinX]

Exactly LIKE this is not a CAT of the colour BLACK!!!!!

Is that a thermite covered squirrel I see!

 

[JonnyFive]

Why do you hate Canada?

I'm secretly a CanAmerican disinfo agent. Or a piece of thermite capable of passing the Turing test.

 

[Belz...]

I KNOW there has been a tremendous debate over the subject of 9/11, and from the few threads I have read it looks like most believe the, "Official Story." Well, here's what I can assure you. If you engage me in this debate, than you will NOT leave this thread without KNOWING that 9/11 was an inside job and brought down by controlled demolitions.

I seriously doubt that.

Of course, WTC 7 is and will forever be the smoking gun. I am, of course, referring to 47 story steel-structured building, that dissolved to the ground in mere seconds. I say - DISSOLVED into nothingness, in a mere few seconds.

Dissolved. Did they use acid ? From the movie Alien ?

Whether it was 6 or 7 or 8 9 10 seconds...that's not at debate. We've all seen the video, and the fact remains...this 47 story steel-structured building literally DISSOLVED in just the blink of an eye....apparently due to a couple fires that were so LARGE they were virtually invisible from the outside

What video were YOU watching ?

Remember...there is no official report on the cause of WTC 7's collapse.

That's like saying "The jury's still out, so I'm right about the suspect !!"

The 911 commission didn't even address it, and if you know anything about a pancake collapse...WTC 7 was NOT a pancake collapse. All 47 stories simply turned into jello all at once.

Jell-o ? Are you sure it wasn't cool-aid ?

And magically at that. No wait...I mean because of those small fires that melted the entire infrastructure all at once. Yea, that's what I meant to say.

Yea, with that kind of attitude, you'll convince people here in no time.

Now, I think one of the main problems people encounter when analyzing an event like this is that they OVER analyze it.

No, I think one of the main problems laymen encounter when analysing an event like this is that they think they can understand things in which they have no expertise in simply by applying "common sense".

See, I think the main problem with the, 'Debunkers.' is that they never actually debunk this main issue i.e. the buildings came down via a demolition.

First time here, right ?

And the reason they probably haven't presented any actual hard evidence (I'm not talking about an "expert's" commentary or analysis) I'm talking about actual evidence you could present in a court of law that PROVES unequivocally, that demolitions we're NOT used on the WTC buildings.

You weren't there at law school when they talked about burden of proof, right ?

 

[Belz...]

I mentioned in the post linked above...at how I scientifically proved

Okay, stop right there. What are your scientific qualifications ?

 

[JonnyFive]

(etc.)

Do you have that evidence of thermite being capable of cutting through a thick, vertical girder?

Don't post the link to the patent again, that didn't support your theory. Stop going from one topic to another like a drunken squirrel and provide evidence or revise your original claim.

ETA: All this talk of jello and pancakes is making me hungry.