• Quick note - the problem with Youtube videos not embedding on the forum appears to have been fixed, thanks to ZiprHead. If you do still see problems let me know.

This is the thread that may very well change the way you look at 9/11 FOREVER!

In this case its more like you were asked to do jumping jacks and instead you sat in the corner and picked your nose, then claimed that you did 500 jumping jacks and complained how unfair everyone was being.
 
Sibel Edmonds is a courageous former FBI translator who was fired for trying to expose a major cover-up of 9/11 evidence in the FBI. A lawsuit she initiated was dismissed in July of 2004, only after Attorney General John Ashcroft personally invoked a rarely used power and declared the case as falling under "state secrets" privilege. I have had a number of email exchanges with Ms. Edmonds. She states that she has documents which will implicate people at very high levels in government in their actions around 9/11. The fact that she was allowed to testify to a Congressional committee was a major breakthrough in her case, though we need more coverage. She is a key player in exposing the massive 9/11 cover-up. With very best wishes, Fred Burks for the WantToKnow.info team

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sibel_Edmonds

Security breach of FBI's translator program to be questioned
USA Today/AP - 3/2/05
http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2005-03-02-fbi-translator_x.htm




Justice Dept. Opposes Bid to Revive Case Against F.B.I.
New York Times - 2/26/05
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/02/26/politics/26whistle.html




FBI faulted over linguist's complaints: Review deemed lacking
Boston Globe/Associated Press - 1/15/05
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/washington/articles/2005/01/15/fbi_faulted_over_linguists_complaints/



"Edmonds filed a lawsuit seeking to keep her job, but last summer a judge threw out her case after Attorney General John Ashcroft said her claims might harm national security by exposing government secrets.

I TOLD YOU, that's the excuse the government hides behind, when someone has the goods on them.
 
Last edited:
You DO realise that Sibel Edmunds complaint was that the translation of documents after 9/11 was being deliberately slowed in order to increase funding for what would be percieved as an overworked and understaffed department and that she believes this was leaving the US dangerously open to acts of terror by islamic extremists?

You do realise that don't you?
 
Um, you wanted to know why they're weren't any whistleblowers, and I'm showing you there are...and why it doesn't CHANGE A THING. You all said one whistleblower with documents proving government involvement is all it takes to bring the government down. This guy says he has had direct communication with this whistleblower:

I have had a number of email exchanges with Ms. Edmonds. She states that she has documents which will implicate people at very high levels in government in their actions around 9/11. The fact that she was allowed to testify to a Congressional committee was a major breakthrough in her case, though we need more coverage. She is a key player in exposing the massive 9/11 cover-up. With very best wishes, Fred Burks for the WantToKnow.info team

She says she has the documents to prove the government was involved in 9/11....why don't you either contact Fred Burks or contact Ms. Edmonds yourselves.
 
You DO realise that Sibel Edmunds complaint was that the translation of documents after 9/11 was being deliberately slowed in order to increase funding for what would be percieved as an overworked and understaffed department and that she believes this was leaving the US dangerously open to acts of terror by islamic extremists?

You do realise that don't you?

No, that would require him to competently investigate and assess the story. Far easier to mould it to his own paranoid world-view this way. :D

Someone want to remind the coward that he's still running from the technical argument re: ability of fire to drop the floors AND ability of the structure to fall vertically? He's clearly got me on ignore still. :p
 
So she states she has docs, but we haven't seen them (and neither has the CT reporter) and she WAS allowed to report to a congressional committee (remarkable the evil doers didn't bump her off first eh?) and this has lead to precisely what action?

Or is congress in on it? (Which she would have known already so she wouldn't bother testifying to them, right?)
 
Fred Burks – Before resigning from the US State Department in 2004 due to excessive secrecy demands, Fred Burks served for many years as a language interpreter for presidents and other dignitaries. He interpreted for Bush, Clinton, Gore, Cheney, and many other top officials of the US and other countries. Having participated in numerous secret meetings where the only people allowed were the principles and their interpreters, he has acquired important inside information and contacts.

Click that link to see who this guy is and what he's about.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A49449-2004Dec8.html
 
yoo Hoo, 28th.......still Avoiding The Technical Fight, Eh?

you Seem To Have Plenty Of Time To Cut And Paste, You Coward.

Please do not personalize the issues.
Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic  Posted By: Patricio Elicer
 
Last edited by a moderator:
Sibel Edmonds, a translator who worked at the FBI's language division, says the documents weren't translated because the division was riddled with incompetence and corruption.

Edmonds was fired after reporting her concerns to FBI officials. She told her story behind closed doors to investigators in Congress and to the Justice Department. Most recently, she spoke with the commission investigating the Sept. 11 attacks.

She first told Correspondent Ed Bradley her story a year after Sept. 11. Because she is fluent in Turkish and other Middle Eastern languages, Edmonds, a Turkish-American, was hired by the FBI soon after Sept. 11 and given top-secret security clearance to translate some of the reams of documents seized by FBI agents who have been rounding up suspected terrorists across the United States and abroad.

Edmonds says that to her amazement, from the day she started the job, she was told repeatedly by one of her supervisors that there was no urgency,- that she should take longer to translate documents so that the department would appear overworked and understaffed. That way, it would receive a larger budget for the next year.

.....................



Critical shortages of experienced Middle Eastern language translators have plagued the FBI and the rest of the U.S. intelligence community for years.

Months before the first World Trade Center bombing in 1993, one of the plotters of the attack was heard on tape having a discussion in Arabic that no one at the time knew was about how to make explosives - and he had a manual that no one at the time knew was about how to blow up buildings. None of it was translated until well after the bombing, and while the FBI has hired more translators since then, officials concede that problems in the language division have hampered the country's efforts to battle terrorism.

According to congressional investigators, this may have played a role in the inability to prevent the Sept. 11 attacks. The General Accounting Office reported that the FBI had expressed concern over the thousands of hours of audiotapes and pages of written material that have not been reviewed or translated because of a lack of qualified linguists.

“If they got word today that within, in a little while, the Hoover Dam was going to be blown up, and it takes a week or two to get it translated, as was one of the problems in this department, you know, you couldn't intervene to prevent that from happening,” says Grassley.

In its rush to hire more foreign language translators after Sept. 11, the FBI admits it has had difficulty performing background checks to detect translators who may have loyalties to other governments, which could pose a threat to U.S. national security.


.......................

Edmonds says that when she reviewed Dickerson's translations of those tapes, she found that Dickerson had left out information crucial to the FBI's investigation - information that Edmonds says would have revealed that the Turkish intelligence officer had spies working for him inside the U.S. State Department and at the Pentagon.

“We came across at least 17, 18 translations, communications that were extremely important for the ongoing investigations of these individuals,” says Edmonds. “She had marked it as 'not important to be translated.'"

What kind of information did she leave out of her translation?

“Activities to obtain the United States military and intelligence secrets,” says Edmonds.

She says she complained repeatedly to her bosses about what she'd found on the wiretaps and about Dickerson's conduct, but that nobody at the FBI wanted to hear about it, not even the assistant special agent in charge.

“He said ‘Do you realize what you are saying here in your allegations? Are you telling me that our security people are not doing their jobs? Is that what you're telling me? If you insist on this investigation, I'll make sure in no time it will turn around and become an investigation about you,’” says Edmonds.

Sibel Edmonds was fired. The FBI offered no explanation, saying in the letter only that her contract was terminated completely for the government's convenience.

But three months later, the FBI conceded that on at least two occasions, Dickerson had, in fact, left out significant information from her translations. They say it was due to a lack of experience and was not malicious.

Dickerson quit the FBI and now lives in Belgium. She declined to be interviewed, but she told The Chicago Tribune that the allegations against her are preposterous and ludicrous. Grassley says he's disturbed by what the Dickerson incident says about internal security at the FBI.

"You shouldn't have somebody in your organization that's compromising our national security by not doing the job right, whether it's lack of skills or whether it's intentional," says Grassley.

Does the Sibel Edmonds case fall into any pattern of behavior, pattern of conduct, on the part of the FBI?

“The usual pattern,” says Grassley. “Let me tell you, first of all, the embarrassing information comes out, the FBI reaction is to sweep it under the rug, and then eventually they shoot the messenger.”

Special agent John Roberts, recently retired as a chief of the FBI's Internal Affairs Department, agrees. And while he is not permitted to discuss the Edmonds case, for the last 10 years, he has been investigating misconduct by FBI employees. He says he is outraged by how little is ever done about it.

“I don't know of another person in the FBI who has done the internal investigations that I have and has seen what I have, and that knows what has occurred and what has been glossed over and what has, frankly, just disappeared, just vaporized, and no one disciplined for it,” says Roberts.

Despite a pledge from FBI Director Robert Mueller to overhaul the culture of the FBI in light of 9/11, and encourage bureau employees to come forward to report wrongdoing, Roberts says that in the rare instances when employees are disciplined, it's usually low-level employees like Edmonds who get punished and not their bosses.

“I think the double standard of discipline will continue no matter who comes in, no matter who tries to change,” says Roberts. “You, you have a certain, certain group that, that will continue to protect itself. That's just how it is.”

Has he found cases since Sept. 11 where people were involved in misconduct and were not, let alone reprimanded, but were even promoted? Roberts says yes.

"That's astonishing," Bradley told Roberts. "You would think that after 9/11, that's a big slap in the face. 'This is a wake-up call here.'"

"Depends on who you are," says Roberts. "If you're in the senior executive level, it may not hurt you. You will be promoted." Last month, the FBI took the highly unusual step of retroactively classifying information it gave to Congress two years ago about the Sibel Edmonds case.

As for the FBI's language division, the bureau says it has dramatically beefed up its translation capabilities.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/10/25/60minutes/main526954.shtml

Emphasis added.


Yep, she believes 911 was an inside job alright.lol
 
Porkie, you just violated your NWO NDA by posting that picture of one of our RD-812 elves. And what on Earth did you do to him, it looks like you were toying with one of our experimental DNA transceivers and used one of Horatius' cats spider monkeys as a test subject. The Big Owl (no - not the big owl - The Big Owl...you know.....Him), will hear about this buddy. Don't be expecting a Christmas bonus this year and I certainly wouldnt expect anymore of your 1882A requisistions to be fulfilled.
The Big Owl? Please don’t tell the Big Owl, puuuulease don’t tell The Big Owl! I just couldn’t help myself, the RD-812 was looking up at me with those big beautiful….ummm…eyes? and making Cheney noises so I couldn’t resist.

My wife and kids think it’s a goldfish.

Puuuuulease, puuuulease, puuuulease don’t tell the Big Owl, I promise to never fill out an 1882A requisition ever again if you just don’t tell The Big Owl .
 
The Big Owl? Please don’t tell the Big Owl, puuuulease don’t tell The Big Owl! I just couldn’t help myself, the RD-812 was looking up at me with those big beautiful….ummm…eyes? and making Cheney noises so I couldn’t resist.

My wife and kids think it’s a goldfish.

Puuuuulease, puuuulease, puuuulease don’t tell the Big Owl, I promise to never fill out an 1882A requisition ever again if you just don’t tell The Big Owl .

You'll be glad to know that I've just dispacthed 4 of my fastest carrier pigeons, one in each direction, to intercept the one I sent to ....... He Who Has No Name Other Than The Big Owl......Him.

Now - I will be forced to notify your handler of the security breach. Be ready to report to the airport for Chemtrail tank duty.
 
To 28th who now avoiding all the technical questions that is put his way and simply spamming this thread with more and more peoples opinions who agree with him We know people believe it is an inside job, this is why there is a fierce debate about it. We know that these people agree with you 28th, but it does not make 911 an inside job. Opinions are not enough, fact, evidence and proof is what is required. You can keep spamming this thread all you like with these quotes but it will not make a jot of difference because they are just opinions.


Now back to your famous 45 degree cut on this steel column which you claim was cut by thermite. I have a question for you; I will actually answer it also and see if you agree.

Why do you think the guys on the ground cut this column at 45 degrees?

I know why and I will now tell you why. It was cut like this so the top section would fall away from the guy who did the cutting. He cut the lower side first then the two diagonals and finally cut the higher side. This would ensure the top bit he cut off would fall away from him and not on top of him. In all probability if the photograph was bigger you would see the bit that was cut off, lying around. Equally so the top section would have had a metal rope attached to it to pull the top section away from the guy doing the burning.

If you have any idea about cutting down large objects, i.e. trees you would know that tree fellers employ the same technique. An angle is cut to ensure the tree falls in a certain direction. The guys at GZ used the same technique, it is no different. Equally so it is so simple.
 
I scientifically proved therma/ite was at the towers...by analyzing the behavior of the pouring molten metal from WTC 2 - and also from the column with the black molten metal from a therma/ite reaction. I proved why it had to be something other than the slag from the column - but everyone just wants to make crap up and say I don't know what I'm talking about.

How would I go about backing up my scientific claims - like molten slag from steel CANNOT change colors from the original color of the steel?

A good start would be to test the null hypothesis: Molten slag CAN change colors. This should be easy to test; just ask a steelworker if you could observe his work for a few minutes. If the null hypothesis is proved, then the hypothesis is falsified, and you can go on about your life, such as it is.
 
28th Key Lime Pie, could you please provide evidence of a thermite something-or-other capable of cutting vertical beams? The patent was not for such a device, nor did anyone here claim it was. Your "thermite torch" does not appear to specify vertical beam cutting, and is far too weak.

Evviiidence... we neeeed evvvvidenceeee... and brrrraaaaiiinnnnsssss...
 
44 pages of complete tripe. That's 20 minutes of my life I won't get back.

I must the say thread title is somewhat misleading. It ought to be renamed "The thread that will confirm that 9/11 conspiracy nuts are brainless oafs".
 

Back
Top Bottom