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This is the thread that may very well change the way you look at 9/11 FOREVER!

28th Kingdom said:
"In other words, the momentum (which equals mass times velocity) of the 12 to 28 stories (WTC 1 and WTC 2, respectively) falling on the supporting structure below (which was designed to support only the static weight of the floors above and not any dynamic effects due to the downward momentum) so greatly exceeded the strength capacity of the structure below that it (the structure below) was unable to stop or even to slow the falling mass. The downward momentum felt by each successive lower floor was even larger due to the increasing mass."

Increasing mass? Huh, so WAIT A MINUTE...they are claiming some kind of pancake collapse. I CALL FRAUD!
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Of course the mass increase, you dimwit. How could it be any different? What were you expecting, that the supported mass decrease the lower you are in the structure? You can't be that dumb.
 
ZouPrime said:
Of course the mass increase, you dimwit. How could it be any different? What were you expecting, that the supported mass decrease the lower you are in the structure? You can't be that dumb.
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Excuse me. Read everything he's posted. I think he can be.
 
Wow, 28K, you're more slippery than a greased pig today. You dodged out of the thermite angle and right into the old "near freefall" hat.

Mind showing us examples of thermite cutting a vertical beam? Known, verifiable examples, not just posting the same WTC picture with a new caption.
 
28th Kingdom said:
Oh, yea mean like classic demolition squibs shooting off some 30 FLOORS BELOW the collapse point? Or the classic cutter-charge ring of smoke right before the towers collapsed? Or the fact that the walls were exploding into a million pieces and the cement was being pulverized into dust...unlike any kind of natural building COLLAPSE the WORLD HAS EVER SEEN! You mean like those types of signs?

But I forgot....planes crashed...and insulation was dislodged...so anything is possible...even those pesky rainbow colored unicorns with the purple headbands.

*I added the purple headband part...that's not actually in the NIST report.
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so, in a demolition, what is the purpose of blowing out a few random windows 30 floors below the collapse section?

6. How could the WTC towers collapse in only 11 seconds (WTC 1) and 9 seconds (WTC 2)—speeds that approximate that of a ball dropped from similar height in a vacuum (with no air resistance)?
NIST estimated the elapsed times for the first exterior panels to strike the ground after the collapse initiated in each of the towers to be approximately 11 seconds for WTC 1 and approximately 9 seconds for WTC 2. These elapsed times were based on: (1) precise timing of the initiation of collapse from video evidence, and (2) ground motion (seismic) signals recorded at Palisades, N.Y., that also were precisely time-calibrated for wave transmission times from lower Manhattan (see NCSTAR 1-5A).
As documented in Section 6.14.4 of NIST NCSTAR 1, these collapse times show that:
“… the structure below the level of collapse initiation offered minimal resistance to the falling building mass at and above the impact zone. The potential energy released by the downward movement of the large building mass far exceeded the capacity of the intact structure below to absorb that energy through energy of deformation.
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so we can conclude 2 things

1: these are not total collapse times, they are the times for the first debris to hit the ground

2: the debris comes from the point of failure, so they are nowhere near "freefall times" (which would be 8.2 and 7.6 seconds respectively)

heres my thread on how "near free fall" collapse times affect the amount of energy available
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=70474
 
EVERY CD LOOKS A LITTLE DIFFERENT...some have flashes...some don't...some make lots of noise...some don't...some fall neatly at once...some kind of crumble. The WTC demolitions...were different because NO ONE HAS EVER DEMOLISHED BUILDINGS THAT TALL! And no one would ever try to...they would take them apart, cus they're too tall to CD.

The unique core columns of the WTC...also presented another challenge...that's why therma/ite was used to cut the core columns...and explosives were used to do traditional demolition stuff. NO OTHER building has ever been CD...that had core columns like that.

Another difference is that they set the wave of detonators to go off in a downward wave (starting at the impact floors...some ask how they knew where the planes were gonna hit...well I guess that's why they waited an hour before they pulled them down, because then they had time to visually assess the buildings and calculate which floors to start the downward sequence on) as to simulate some kind of pancake collapse. SEE they forget to do this on WTC 7, and they just pulled all the floors at once...like a traditional CD....that's why I say WTC 7 is the smoking gun...because it looks like a classic style CD.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LD06SAf0p9A
 
stateofgrace said:
Ever seen one of these oh great one ?

[qimg]http://images.orgill.com/200x200/9566886.jpg[/qimg]

Try and figure out what it is and what it is used for.
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Great, thanks, now my a** hurts. And I still don't know what to do with this rabbit!

94904574d8b0e3f1c.jpg
 
28th Kingdom said:
"In other words, the momentum (which equals mass times velocity) of the 12 to 28 stories (WTC 1 and WTC 2, respectively) falling on the supporting structure below (which was designed to support only the static weight of the floors above and not any dynamic effects due to the downward momentum) so greatly exceeded the strength capacity of the structure below that it (the structure below) was unable to stop or even to slow the falling mass. The downward momentum felt by each successive lower floor was even larger due to the increasing mass."

Increasing mass? Huh, so WAIT A MINUTE...they are claiming some kind of pancake collapse. I CALL FRAUD!
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Each collapsing floor adds to the collapsing mass.
 
28th Kingdom said:
Are you a F****** moron? I'm not calling you one...I'm just asking if you are one?

http://img272.imageshack.us/img272/7886/cuttersm8.jpg

WHAT PART OF NOTHING HAS COLLAPSED....don't you understand? HOW MUCH TIME do you think there is between the time the cutter-charge goes and collapse begins? IN real time...you will probably miss it....but in a pic, you can clearly see nothing is collapsing yet.
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Remember this post? It even had a picture in it, so you could understand it better:

The image you posted is from the time between illustrations 3 and 5; floors are collapsing, expelling smoke and dust.
 
28th Kingdom said:
EVERY CD LOOKS A LITTLE DIFFERENT...some have flashes...some don't...some make lots of noise...some don't...some fall neatly at once...some kind of crumble. The WTC demolitions...were different because NO ONE HAS EVER DEMOLISHED BUILDINGS THAT TALL! And no one would ever try to...they would take them apart, cus they're too tall to CD.

The unique core columns of the WTC...also presented another challenge...that's why therma/ite was used to cut the core columns...and explosives were used to do traditional demolition stuff. NO OTHER building has ever been CD...that had core columns like that.

Another difference is that they set the wave of detonators to go off in a downward wave (starting at the impact floors...some ask how they knew where the planes were gonna hit...well I guess that's why they waited an hour before they pulled them down, because then they had time to visually assess the buildings and calculate which floors to start the downward sequence on) as to simulate some kind of pancake collapse. SEE they forget to do this on WTC 7, and they just pulled all the floors at once...like a traditional CD....that's why I say WTC 7 is the smoking gun...because it looks like a classic style CD.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LD06SAf0p9A
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They're too tall to CD, so the conspirators used CD to take them down?

Of course, that makes sense!
 
28th Kingdom said:
NO ONE HAS EVER DEMOLISHED BUILDINGS THAT TALL! And no one would ever try to...they would take them apart, cus they're too tall to CD.
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Conclusion: they weren't brought down by CD.

28th Kingdom: take Smacco's razor away from your sanitywrists and chuck it out. Pick up Occam's version and use it to shave your mind-fuzz.
 
Still waiting on that thermite-cutting-vertical-beams evidence, 28K.

This thread moves fast, but I don't think it'll have the endurance of the Christophera freefall thread.
 
Mercutio said:
Remember this post? It even had a picture in it, so you could understand it better:
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/vbimghost.php?do=displayimg&imgid=3052http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/imagehosting/thum_10153457c3b098ae34.jpg
The image you posted is from the time between illustrations 3 and 5; floors are collapsing, expelling smoke and dust.
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And, when...on the video we've all watched a 1000 times...did the buildings decide to throw a cinch around it's waist? 3-4 Don't you think those images are a bit over-the-top (embellished )and cartoon-like?
 
The thing I really don't understand is this:

Why is the CD even necessary? We all accept the planes hit. All the stuff that followed, the misuse of 911 rhetoric to invade Iraq and Afgahnistan (which even debunking911.com calls "the real conspiracy") which I presume to be at the heart of the necessity for a controlled demolition, would have happened anyway.

The planes hit. That's the attack. That's the "justification" for the War on Terror. There didn't need to be a demolition...

Could anyone more versed in this stuff (even you, 28k!) explain to me why there even needed to have been a demolition, given that two whacking great jumbos did hit the towers?
 
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