This is the thread that may very well change the way you look at 9/11 FOREVER!

[volatile]

It's just science, folks...you know...something as meaningless as that.

Have you been reading any of this thread at all? The posts when it was explained to you, in some detail, that a) thermite can't cut columns like that, b) thermite is not used in controlled demolitions because it can't bring down buildings, c) if thermite WAS used, it would have ignited immediately, not withstood 6 hours of fire, amongst other things.

I feel like I'm banging my head against a brick wall.

 

[einsteen]

Also, how can a director force 300 people to falsify science and hope that the world's scientific community won't notice?

That's impossible Maccy, they for sure all do proper work within their area.

 

[Horatius]

Pretty soon, when 28K and his friends finally crack the case, all those MIBs will be out of work and there will be plenty of skilled ninja labor to go around.

And the best part is, I don't even need to advertise. They'll know I need labourers just from monitoring the interwebthingy.

I'll know that the case has been broken for sure when I wake up one morning and find a nice deck with a hexagonal bench surrounding the apple tree in my backyard.

 

[jsfisher]

I'm kind of getting the impression...that most of you aren't even interested in what I have to say...as you constantly attack my intelligence and logic. I have enjoyed debating this issue with pretty much everyone...but if you guys really want me to leave than I will. If ten people vote for me to go, I will leave your community...because I honestly had no intention of causing a negative disturbance like this.

Thanks.

Did we not get enough votes, yet?

 

[Porkpie Hat]

Does that black gook...look like the same color as the steel column? YOU CAN'T REASONABLY say that black stuff is molten slab from where a torch cut the column...because if that were the case...than when the molten steel from the column cooled off...it would return back to the same color as the column....HOWEVER, molten metal from a therma/ite reaction...when cooled...IS BLACK BECAUSE THAT'S THE COLOR OF IRON - the direct by product of a therma/ite reaction.

It's just science, folks...you know...something as meaningless as that.

You are seriously blind dude! I've worked in the metal trades for over 20 years and YES that is slag produced from a torch cut.

http://www.petrogen.com/slag%20pile.gif

 

[maccy]

It's just science, folks...you know...something as meaningless as that.

You wouldn't know science if it peer-reviewed you in your rectal surround.

 

[aggle-rithm]

How'd they plant everything with out no one noticing? Larry Silverstein the owner is in on the attacks...he owed the building...which means he had full access to it...Bush's brother was a principal for the company (Securacom) who did security on the WTC.

REALLY?!? We had no IDEA!! Have you alerted the AUTHORITIES!?

Are the WTCs residences? No...office building...do you think all of those companies were 24 hours? No...thus, they could have easily pulled off all the work at night, when everyone was gone.

You know what New York City's nickname is, right? "The City that Never Sleeps"?

I would be willing to bet there were people working around the clock in the WTC. Doesn't someone need to monitor the Tokyo stock exchange, for instance?

 

[28th Kingdom]

"a) thermite can't cut columns like that"

Pure fantasy...we know therma/ite is capable of cutting through steel...

The reason therma/ite was used on the WTC is because of the unique core columns...no other buildings have these...so that's why no other CD has ever used therma/ite.

I think I found a barometer here....the better point I make...the more insults you hurl at me. And, none of you are serious, about the color of that slab...the edges are grey? THE EDGES are almost completely covered with the IRON. IN the fews places it's not covered like the upper left hand corner...you can clearly see that the steel COLUMN was the same color all the way THROUGH..

AND IF THAT STEEL COLUMN were to be melted...WHEN IT COOLED IT WOULD RETURN TO THE SAME COLOR IS WAS BEFORE IT WAS MELTED.

THAT IS SCIENCE! NOT AN OPINION!

 

[maccy]

Also, how can a director force 300 people to falsify science and hope that the world's scientific community won't notice?

That's impossible Maccy, they for sure all do proper work within their area.

So if the parts of the report are not falsified, how can the whole be a "big lie"?

 

[28th Kingdom]

You actually ever been around someplace where a cutting torch was used? I have. I stood fire watch in the Navy while welders used torches to cut through 1 1/2 inch thick steel, on the hull of a submarine. Slag is black, maroon. That is exactly what that looks like. Real world experience vs. play acting on the net.

What color was the steel that was cut? WAS IT BLACK? Was the molten slab a different color than the steel being cut?

 

[stateofgrace]

http://img243.imageshack.us/img243/2271/thermiteut7.jpg

Okay, so if you assume this column was cut with a torch by a clean up crew...than why the hell did they leave it standing over 10 feet high? Why wouldn't they cut it at the base, if there purpose was to remove it from the site? If you say, they are cutting it into smaller pieces...than why did they just leave that piece standing there?

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Have you been in touch with the clear up crews at ground zero and asked them?

Now this is another issue, you have been whining on about this photograph as though it is positive proof that the column was cut by thermite. This column is petty low down in the Tower, correct? So why didn’t either Tower collapse from these points? Why did they start to collapse at the precise points the planes hit?

How could they possibly coordinate the cutting of columns some 70 or 80 floor below the impact area with the sudden collapse higher up? It is impossible that even if these columns were cut by thermite that it would have any bearing whatsoever on what was happening 70 or 80 floors above. The only way it would contribute to the collapse is if it lost its load bearing capacity and failed, in which case the Tower would have started to collapse at this point and not higher up. I take you do understand all about load bearing supports, i.e. working loads and maximum loads.

Can you not see how absurd your suggestion is, this is a load bearing support, according to you it has been cut by thermite, yet the Tower still stood at this point, nothing happened until the massive dynamic weight from above reached this point. It makes no difference at all then; cutting this column by thermite achieved nothing, because the rest of the supports in this area took the weigh. That is unless they were all cut, in which case the Tower would have collapsed from this point, they clearly did not.

Cutting this column by thermite does not fit in, with what happened, it makes absolutely no sense whatsoever, but please do carry on and explain it all.

 

[28th Kingdom]

What color was the steel that was cut? WAS IT BLACK? Was the molten slab a different color than the steel being cut?

LISTEN TO ME...cooled molten slab...WILL LOOK just like cooled molten metal....BECAUSE THEY'RE THE SAME THING. IT'S JUST a cooled metal/steel that was once a liquid. THE POINT IS THE COLOR difference between the cooled metal on top of the steel. SCIENTIFICALLY IMPOSSIBLE !

 

[JimBenArm]

What color was the steel that was cut? WAS IT BLACK? Was the molten slab a different color than the steel being cut?

Yes, it was a different color. The black you see in the pictures of submarines is paint, surely they have it where you live. The steel is a nice silvery-grey color, and shiny, like the keys mommy uses to distract you.

Did I forget to say something?

Oh, yeah.

What a maroon!

 

[apathoid]

And, none of you are serious, about the color of that slab slag...the edges are grey? THE EDGES are almost completely covered with the IRON. IN the fews places it's not covered like the upper left hand corner...you can clearly see that the steel COLUMN was the same color all the way THROUGH..

AND IF THAT STEEL COLUMN were to be melted...WHEN IT COOLED IT WOULD RETURN TO THE SAME COLOR IS WAS BEFORE IT WAS MELTED.

THAT IS SCIENCE! NOT AN OPINION!

I guess you have Porkpie on ignore too ?
Have you ever even seen, let alone touched, a blowtorch?

 

[volatile]

"a) thermite can't cut columns like that"

Pure fantasy...we know therma/ite is capable of cutting through steel...

Vertically, not horizontally. Hence "like that". This has been explained. Over and over.

Any responses to b) and c)?

 

[Z]

LISTEN TO ME...cooled molten slab...WILL LOOK just like cooled molten metal....BECAUSE THEY'RE THE SAME THING. IT'S JUST a cooled metal/steel that was once a liquid. THE POINT IS THE COLOR difference between the cooled metal on top of the steel. SCIENTIFICALLY IMPOSSIBLE !

Oh my God, you're stupid!

Metal that has been cut by torch will gain carbon inclusions along the surface, thereby turning most metals black (or darker, at least).

Slag is almost always black.

The point is, you have NO experience in metalworking, and you're making assumptions based on your pig-ignorance.

Come back to us when you graduate third grade, will you?

 

[volatile]

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=2174872#post2174872

and:

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=2174872#post2174872

These are explanations to this "fact", on this same page of replies!

 

[The Almond]

LISTEN TO ME...cooled molten slab...WILL LOOK just like cooled molten metal....

That's true for an isolated beam in a vacuum. That's wildly untrue in every other situation. Welding torches can volatilize materials such as impurities (zinc, vanadium, scandium, nickel and cobalt, all of which are common impurities in steel), or surface coatings. When metals like zinc oxidize, it becomes black.

BECAUSE THEY'RE THE SAME THING.

You're making a circular argument that does not address the original objection to your argument. The original objection was the proof that the black stuff you claim to see was evidence of thermite, rather than the after-effects of a cutting torch.

IT'S JUST a cooled metal/steel that was once a liquid. THE POINT IS THE COLOR difference between the cooled metal on top of the steel. SCIENTIFICALLY IMPOSSIBLE !

This is demonstrably false.

 

[Horatius]

You are seriously blind dude! I've worked in the metal trades for over 20 years and YES that is slag produced from a torch cut.
[qimg]http://www.petrogen.com/slag%20pile.gif[/qimg]http://www.petrogen.com/slag%20pile.gif

Since he seems to be ignoring you, I'll cover this for him...

<ahem> THAT's NOT slag! And where did that bronze coloured thing come from? The TOWERS weren't bronze! That's Scientific!

Should I quote myself at this point?

 

[Flo]

THAT IS SCIENCE! NOT AN OPINION!

Talking of science, how about answering the very precise questions Architect and a few others have asked you (with maths, thank-you-very-much), instead of ranting ?