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This is the thread that may very well change the way you look at 9/11 FOREVER!

gumboot said:
This would be Northwoods right? The rejected plan that didn't involve killing Americans?

(And then a big pointless rant from 28K)

What, no more NORAD? Aw C'mon. I thought you had an argument?

-Gumboot
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im hoping he pulls out the same old out-of-centext quote all the CTers cite and proves he never read the northwoods documents :)

senorpogo said:
I'm sure this has been pointed out before (maybe even in this huge thread that sprouted up in one night) - just because something hasn't happened in the past, it doesn't follow that it cannot happen. If a steel framed building has never fallen that doesn't mean that a steel framed building can't fall. Some math could easily show why a steel-framed building will collapse from fire.

Now, imagine it's October 3rd, 1957. Someone employing CT logic would say that nothing could be put into space. Why? Because nothing to that point had been. Of course, if you asked a Russian scientist working on Sputnik, she could explain the math and engineering that show that something very well could be put into space. CT logic would counter, "But has it ever happened? Then it can't happen!"

Of course, on October 4th, they'd be proven wrong.

It just goes to show how lacking the CT side is when it comes to thinking.
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whats more, no building as large as WTC 7 (and certainly not as large as WTC 1 and 2) has ever been demolished, therefore that couldnt have happened either
 
28th Kingdom said:
Um, we CT nuts can easily prove that controlled demolitions could have taken those buildings down
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Well you haven't managed to convince anyone here of that. If all of this is as clear as the nose on your face....then why hasn't the mainstream media reported this story on a daily basis? Oh, I forgot...Bush and his evil minions control the worldwide media, the earth, the universe and nearby star systems.
 
28th Kingdom said:
Also, does everyone agree, that WTC 1 & 2 came down in some sort of pancake collapse? Yes or No will do. I know the actual details may be more complex, but the end result is a pancake collapse, yes?

Thanks.
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No. Look at the damage to or collapse of other buildings.
 
28th Kingdom said:
Now, each building crumbles into it's own footprint. .....


You must analyze the facts of the collapses...without influence or persuasion from thoughts of who did it, or why they did it.
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So, analysing the facts of the collapses, how is this any indication that each building crumbled into it's own footprint?

Come on, you're not just spouting CT rhetoric that you've never thought about are you? Not after all your insistance that we think things through for ourselves, right? You'd never try to pull a fast one like that on us, would you?
 
Arkan_Wolfshade said:
You are falling for the Gambler's Fallacy. The outcome of previous situations has no effect on the outcome of a following situation.
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Off topic, but I always fall for this fallacy when I'm in Vegas. I watch the roulette ball land in black six times in a row and I just have to bet red...of course black come up again.

If I flip a coin 100 times won't the outcome be very near 50 heads/50 tails? Why is the population of the earth almost 50% male and 50% female? I'm not asking for a big lesson on probability and statistics, but a simple explaination? Thanks in advance.
 
Alt+F4 said:
If I flip a coin 100 times won't the outcome be very near 50 heads/50 tails? Why is the population of the earth almost 50% male and 50% female? I'm not asking for a big lesson on probability and statistics, but a simple explaination? Thanks in advance.
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when you flip a coin the odds are alwyas 50/50 of it landing heads or tails, if it lands head 10 times in a row, that doesnt change anything about the coin, and the 11th toss is still 50/50

unless your using a homeopathic coin it doesnt "remember" what the last flip was :)
 
Horatius said:
Okay, now you're not even trying to hide it.
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You're right. He's getting better at covering up all those extra "U's" that our British, Canadian, Australian and New Zealand friends are so fond of.:rolleyes:
 
28K:

Thanks for linking to that ancient poll. We have looked at that no less than what, 30 times, over the last few months.

53% feel he is "hiding something"...ya, that includes me. I think he is hiding the incompetence of some of his more senior advisors etc....

16% feel he is mostly lieing ---- Far from the majority.

If this is the best you can do, I would suggest this not only be the first time you argue 9/11 on a forum, but also the last...

TAM
 
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These pro-CT arguments are disappointingly lacking in character. It's just the same old shopworn frogwash and religious evangelical phrases like "the truth will find you" and so on.

If I'm to remain amused, I need my CTists to have some style, some pizazz, some creativity. I want MS Paint drawings that CONCLUSIVELY PROVE the Pentagon was hit by a 3-liter Pepsi bottle filled with Mentos, dropped by a hang glider that was piloted by a Mossad agent and deployed from a remote-controlled 747 with a slightly inaccurate airbrushed mural of Osama bin Laden on the side and emitting chemtrails that under the right viewing conditions (involving various Photoshop filters, strobe lights, and low doses of LSD) can be seen to spell out, "I'M IN UR AIRSPACE, PWNING UR BUILDINGZ LOL!!"

I need my CTists to promise me that I, as an infidel / blasphemer / shill / non-patriot, it will not be pleasant for me when The Real Truth Comes Out. I need them to promise me that I WILL know the Real Truth after watching their free video, or I'll get TRIPLE my money back.

No, of COURSE I "can't prove" conclusively that there isn't an invisible china teapot in orbit between the earth and Mars, but that doesn't mean that I don't want you to try to convince me that it fired energy beam death rays, pulverizing the WTC towers into indiscernable particles of subatomic size.

And most of all, I need everything to be connected to everything else. Show me the line of Truth that connects 9/11 to 7/7 to Alexander Litvinenko to Bohemian Grove to e. coli in spinach to MKULTRA to Lee Harvey Oswald to Area 51 to Roswell to the Knights Templar to Majestic-12 to the murals at the Denver International Airport to sasquatch to chupacabra to alien abductions to dowsing to Himmler's frozen Arayans to EVERYTHING, because IT'S ALL CONNECTED, MAAAANNN!!!!!

Enough of this, "oh let's gather round the campfire and talk about WTC 7 because the Truth will set you freeeee and we can roast marshmallows and I'll show you how much of 'Michael Row Your Boat Ashore' I've learned to play on the guitar."

It's time for a good old-fashioned, back to the Old Testament (by which I mean LC the first edition, as opposed to the New Testament which is LC:FC:RC:II) tent revival with some real, honest-to-goodness GOSPEL PREACHIN'.
 
Horatius said:
If I had a coin that landed heads 10 times in a row, I'd start to suspect it was rigged....
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I calculate a 0.09765625% chance of this happening (0.5^10, right?) so I think you'd be right to be suspicious...
 
maccy said:
I calculate a 0.09765625% chance of this happening (0.5^10, right?) so I think you'd be right to be suspicious...
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theres also a 0.09765625% chance of it landing H-T-H-T-H-T-H-T-H-T :P

i can assure my hypothetical coin is definately not rigged, lol

and it doesnt land on edge either
 
defaultdotxbe said:
theres also a 0.09765625% chance of it landing H-T-H-T-H-T-H-T-H-T :P

i can assure my hypothetical coin is definately not rigged, lol

and it doesnt land on edge either
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Good point, I'm falling into the pattern-seeing trap of assuming a particular series of coin flips is less likely than any other individual series.

To determine the bias of the coin we'd have to look at the distribution of head and tails over a large sample.
 
defaultdotxbe said:
i can assure my hypothetical coin is definately not rigged, lol

and it doesnt land on edge either
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Why then, I will certainly take that bet [/SuckerMode]

There's what's within the realm of possibility, and then there's the way I would bet. Show me a coin that hits 10 heads in a row, and I'll bet it's rigged.

If it's honest, I only have a 50% chance of losing, but I've got a (100-0.09765625)% chance it's rigged....
 
Horatius said:
Why then, I will certainly take that bet [/SuckerMode]

There's what's within the realm of possibility, and then there's the way I would bet. Show me a coin that hits 10 heads in a row, and I'll bet it's rigged.

If it's honest, I only have a 50% chance of losing, but I've got a (100-0.09765625)% chance it's rigged....
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are we actually debating the fairness of an imaginary coin? lol
 
Mr. 28th Kingdom,

Ignoring questions of how "it did not happen that way", how about aswering my question in post 252 as to how it was done?
 
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