Why why can not Conspiracy theorist answer my one question?

Crazy Chainsaw

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Crazy Chainsaw
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I am going to put this into layman's terms.

Since it takes mechanical energy, to cause a nano thermite-mate reaction, basically thermal energy causing the aluminum to expand, Causing the oxide to break really fast.
Thank you Dr. Steven Jones for that.

How was all mechanical energy eliminated in the collapse since that is what causes all metal Oxide reactions, in other words what proof would there be that thermite-mate, instead of aluminum brought down the Twin Towers?

Is it unfair to use Dr Steven Joneses work to debunk the conspiracy theorists, is it a fair question?

I have asked it a thousand times and I have always been told by conspiracy theorist that the question is unfair or not based on real Science, what do you Nice intelligent people on here have to say on this?

I am working on the temperature curve this moment, the hotter the aluminum the weaker the bonds in the crystalline structure of the oxide coating, I am working on a mathematical model for the strength of the oxide, at different temperatures.
 
Crazy Chainsaw said:
I am going to put this into layman's terms.

Since it takes mechanical energy, to cause a nano thermite-mate reaction, basically thermal energy causing the aluminum to expand, Causing the oxide to break really fast.
Thank you Dr. Steven Jones for that.

How was all mechanical energy eliminated in the collapse since that is what causes all metal Oxide reactions, in other words what proof would there be that thermite-mate, instead of aluminum brought down the Twin Towers?

Is it unfair to use Dr Steven Joneses work to debunk the conspiracy theorists, is it a fair question?

I have asked it a thousand times and I have always been told by conspiracy theorist that the question is unfair or not based on real Science, what do you Nice intelligent people on here have to say on this?

I am working on the temperature curve this moment, the hotter the aluminum the weaker the bonds in the crystalline structure of the oxide coating, I am working on a mathematical model for the strength of the oxide, at different temperatures.
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I have absolutely no idea what you're asking.

Aluminum brought down the towers?? Huh??

What is your question? Alumino-thermic reactions are a chemical reaction, where the oxygen molecule is torn away from the metal-oxide and bonds with aluminum, forming aluminum oxide, and producing heat energy in the process.
 
TruthSeeker1234 said:
I have absolutely no idea what you're asking.

Aluminum brought down the towers?? Huh??

What is your question? Alumino-thermic reactions are a chemical reaction, where the oxygen molecule is torn away from the metal-oxide and bonds with aluminum, forming aluminum oxide, and producing heat energy in the process.
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Is there Oxygen in the air, or in carbon dioxide in smoke, and what force breaks the Oxide coating allowing the reactions to take place?

Aluminum will oxidize with air if the oxide coating is sufficiently agitate.

The same fuel different oxygen source. I sand blasted molten aluminum with aluminum Oxide dust and got a thermite like reaction, were did the Oxygen come from? The sand blasting was on the lowest setting 5 psi, the more fluid the Aluminum the weaker the Oxide coating.

Does steam contain Oxygen, any Oxygen source will do we are talking aluminum Oxide reactions since aluminum is the fuel source any oxide source will work. DA:jaw-dropp
 
You have never worked with thermite, or aluminum have you TruthSeeker1234?

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Thermite reaction from an impact!

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Aluminum burning in air!

Both 2800c and twice the brightness of the sun!
 
The reason is simple...

Troothers don't "do" answers. Heck, they can't even answer their own questions -- what makes you think they could answer someone else's?
 
The woowoo's are going to get sooo slaughtered if their little film ever gets a theatrical release....I almost feel sorry for them......almost.
 
Not me.

I read in the paper yesterday about how a couple of people are suing "Borat," claiming they were misled into signing release statements.

Can you imagine the uproar that would hit LCFC?

Personally, I don't think it's going to make an actual release, but stay underground. I could be wrong. But I've seen nothing at all so far to suggest these people have the first clue how to produce a real movie.
 
R.Mackey said:
The reason is simple...

Troothers don't "do" answers. Heck, they can't even answer their own questions -- what makes you think they could answer someone else's?
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I know, one of them told me that Aluminum could not possibly burn in air, so my question was stupid, I had to remind him of the space shuttle Columbia, to prove him wrong.

http://www.dmanuta.com/dmm/ksawyer1.doc

It makes me want to cry almost every time I think of that Shuttles loss.
 
Crazy Chainsaw said:
I know, one of them told me that Aluminum could not possibly burn in air, so my question was stupid, I had to remind him of the space shuttle Columbia, to prove him wrong.

http://www.dmanuta.com/dmm/ksawyer1.doc

It makes me want to cry almost every time I think of that Shuttles loss.
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You and me both, brother. I work for NASA, and I work in the field of system health management.

Anyway, the "burning aluminum" thing is a matter of perspective. Aluminum blocks are pretty tough to burn -- the first time I got into an argument about this was during the Falkland Islands battle, over the tragedy of HMS Sheffield. At the time its lightweight aluminum armor, relatively untested, was thought by many to have "burned." But later inquiry showed that it wasn't burning (in fact, didn't even have much of it), rather the fire was due to other materials, up to and including crew uniforms. Nasty.

But under the right conditions, certainly Aluminum will burn. Flash powder, anyone?
 
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Crazy Chainsaw said:
Is there Oxygen in the air,
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yes

or in carbon dioxide in smoke,
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yes

and what force breaks the Oxide coating allowing the reactions to take place?
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You mean in an alumino-thermic reaction? A thermite reaction? It is an electrical force of attraction strong enough to rip the oxygen molecule off of the iron molecule and onto the aluminum molecule.



Aluminum will oxidize with air if the oxide coating is sufficiently agitate.

The same fuel different oxygen source. I sand blasted molten aluminum with aluminum Oxide dust and got a thermite like reaction, were did the Oxygen come from?
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uh, the aluminum oxide perhaps? I don't think this could be a very strong reaction, because you have aluminum giving up oxygen to aluminum.

The sand blasting was on the lowest setting 5 psi, the more fluid the Aluminum the weaker the Oxide coating.

Does steam contain Oxygen, any Oxygen source will do we are talking aluminum Oxide reactions since aluminum is the fuel source any oxide source will work. DA:jaw-dropp
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I don't mean to be rude, I don't understand your question that you think we are afraid to answer. Could someone rephrase it in standard English?
 
R.Mackey said:
You and me both, brother. I work for NASA, and I work in the field of system health management.

Anyway, the "burning aluminum" thing is a matter of perspective. Aluminum blocks are pretty tough to burn -- the first time I got into an argument about this was during the Falkland Islands battle, over the tragedy of HMS Sheffield. At the time its lightweight aluminum armor, relatively untested, was thought by many to have "burned." But later inquiry showed that it wasn't burning (in fact, didn't even have much of it), rather the fire was due to other materials, up to and including crew uniforms. Nasty.

But under the right conditions, certainly Aluminum will burn. Flash powder, anyone?
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I know, and I wrote a poem about the shuttle, I have it around here some where, I will try to find it later.
The first time I saw burning aluminum was at a semi wreak, it was a multi ton ingot from the Aluminum mill. http://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/HAC/pha/nsa/nsa_p1.html
The Aluminum is not supposed to burn in multi ton Ingots that is what made me wonder about the towers, and the planes Aluminum.
Something that day prevented the Oxide from forming until the truck engine was shut down and the truck stopped shaking.
Imagine energy applied to molten aluminum in the same manor.
 
Why why can not Conspiracy theorist answer my one question?
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Because they read your story about shaving the whiskers of that thief with your chainsaw, and they are very, very afraid. To them you're like the Jason of the debunkers.
 
Gravy said:
Because they read your story about shaving the whiskers of that thief with your chainsaw, and they are very, very afraid. To them you're like the Jason of the debunkers.
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And here I thought it was the video of me shaving my legs with the chainsaw that was turning them away. The picture on my profile is from that video.
 
Crazy Chainsaw said:
And here I thought it was the video of me shaving my legs with the chainsaw that was turning them away. The picture on my profile is from that video.
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You really need to open a "World's Toughest Barbershop." Guys would line up around the block and pay big bucks to say they got a chainsaw trim. Insurance would be a bit of an issue, but you could have them videotape their permission/disclaimer, and maybe take a breathalyzer beforehand. Think of the T-shirt, coffee mug, and toiletries sales!
 
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