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Mince said:
I do not know. If you're talking about the CVR, nothing. It's always on. If you're talking about a radio, I assume he would key a microphone perhaps attached to headgear. But if I'm being assailed with a sharp blade, I deal with that situation first and worry about communication later. No radio call would have saved him from the assault.
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Pilot and co pilot at the same time?
 
Russell Pickering said:
Obviously you've decide to disregard our "friendly" agree to disagree understanding.

You are free to unleash on me as you wish.

But for professional appearance can you mitigate your emotions a little bit please?

I did not raise the topic of the DA, Gravy did and I responded in kind.

I have never believed there will be substantial legal action taken and that has never been a goal of mine.
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I'll ignore the first half of your post because it is neither accurate or relevant. We have - and never have had - any "agree to disagree" agreement despite your assertion to the contrary.

I'll respond to the latter half though. Your attempt to paint my response as "emotional" is lame and inaccurate. Let's stick to the facts here, shall we?

About my offer to take all of your evidence, interview each and every one of your witnesses, provide you with tapes and transcipts of it all, and present it to a DA.

I'm willing to put your evidence to the test.

Aren't you?
 
LashL said:
Oh, please. Drop the drama queen routine, already.

Your response to my straightforward post should and would have been pretty straightforward. Pretending that it requires a response to whatever you might be submitting to NIST and the 9/11 Commission and FEMA before you respond is just ridiculous.
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May I determine the relevance of my inquiries and subsequent posts please?
 
uk_dave said:
Or someone yanks off his headset?
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I was an Aviation Electronics Technician in the Navy for four years. I worked on EA-6B Prowlers. To key the radio, they used buttons located on the foot pedals. It's a very quick activation. But the conversation isn't quick. If you're commanded to do nothing with the threat of a bomb, I doubt he would even have attempted communication.
 
LashL said:
I'll ignore the first half of your post because it is neither accurate or relevant. We have - and never have had - any "agree to disagree" agreement despite your assertion to the contrary.

I'll respond to the latter half though. Your attempt to paint my response as "emotional" is lame and inaccurate. Let's stick to the facts here, shall we?

About my offer to take all of your evidence, interview each and every one of your witnesses, provide you with tapes and transcipts of it all, and present it to a DA.

I'm willing to put your evidence to the test.

Aren't you?
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I apologize for misunderstanding the nature of our private communications.

There are many others including 9/11 families and victims working these issues.

The only survivor of Naval Intelligence at the Pentagon is one example.

I am not pursuing legal action as I believe it is useless.
 
Russell, you comment on your site that the pilot was trained in anti terrorist measures.

Given that up until 9/11 the MO of terrorist hijackings was to land somewhere and negotiate, do you not feel that his training may have informed his actions on that day in doing exactly what the hijackers demanded, with a view to landing the plane and letting the negotiators take over?

Are these considerations going to be taken into account in LCFC?
 
Mince said:
I was an Aviation Electronics Technician in the Navy for four years. I worked on EA-6B Prowlers. To key the radio, they used buttons located on the foot pedals. It's a very quick activation. But the conversation isn't quick. If you're commanded to do nothing with the threat of a bomb, I doubt he would even have attempted communication.
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Could you discreetly activate it and let whatever conversation or activity that was occuring in the cockpit be broadcast without saying anything yourself?

Please read about Captin Burlingame here:

http://www.pentagonresearch.com/103.html

Speaking of the Prowler - how often are they used in missing man formations?
 
Russell Pickering said:
May I determine the relevance of my inquiries and subsequent posts please?
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It's obvious that you are skating and obfuscating to try to get out of your original post, Russell. That's pretty poor. Suddenly, in order to respond to my very straightforward post, you have to write to various agencies and await responses from them in order to respond? Yet you were so sure of your position on numerous other posts of yours on this very forum.

Sure.

You know the saying, either put up or shut up.

I have to sleep now as I have to be at work in 5 hours, but I will look for your responses - and I anticipate several if you're honest - either tomorrow if I get the opportunity to get online (which is not very likely) or Thursday evening when I return home.

In the interim, I have to say that it looks like you're just a typical tinhatter who can't back up what he says, can't respond to legitimate inquiries, can't even accept the offer of the decade, and has instead decided to make up excuses to get out of responding to legitimate posts and offers that were offered in good faith to your own posts.

See you Thursday.

EDIT TO ADD: Actually, I don't really care much about the foregoing... what I really want is for you to respond to my offer to interview all of those alleged witnessesof yours so that I can do so, take their evidence, provide you with tapes and transcripts of all of it and then present it to a DA.

No point in screwing around - that's the important part. So, let's do that, shall we? You know my email address. Start sending the contact info and I'll start interviewing them no later than Friday. You have some 40 witnesses, you say, so start sending them now and I'll start reading them on Thursday and start contacting them on Friday.

No excuses, Russell.
 
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Russell Pickering said:
Could you discreetly activate it and let whatever conversation or activity that was occuring in the cockpit be broadcast without saying anything yourself?
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You could, but you'd have to keep your foot on the key. Which indicates immediate assualt. If the terrorists were just giving him demands, then the prudent pilot might do what you've just described. But even that's risky as the receiving party is sure to respond and the terrorist would likely hear it. If the terrorists immediately assaulted the aircrew, then it is very unlikely they would have even thought of keying the radio.


Speaking of the Prowler - how often are they used in missing man formations?
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Not sure. I've never heard of a Prowler in such formation. Though I'm sure it's likely. Why do you ask?
 
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uk_dave said:
Russell, you comment on your site that the pilot was trained in anti terrorist measures.

Given that up until 9/11 the MO of terrorist hijackings was to land somewhere and negotiate, do you not feel that his training may have informed his actions on that day in doing exactly what the hijackers demanded, with a view to landing the plane and letting the negotiators take over?

Are these considerations going to be taken into account in LCFC?
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There should be a whole documentary on the Pentagon, but it will not be in LCFC,
 
Russell Pickering said:
There should be a whole documentary on the Pentagon, but it will not be in LCFC,
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Hey Russell...

600 posts and not one piece of factual evidence to back up your claims.

Ok, who's gonna give me credit for calling this wackjob out on the first page of his introduction?!!!!
 
LashL said:
It's obvious that you are skating and obfuscating to try to get out of your original post, Russell. That's pretty poor. Suddenly, in order to respond to my very straightforward post, you have to write to various agencies and await responses from them in order to respond? Yet you were so sure of your position on numerous other posts of yours on this very forum.

Sure.

You know the saying, either put up or shut up.

I have to sleep now as I have to be at work in 5 hours, but I will look for your responses - and I anticipate several if you're honest - either tomorrow if I get the opportunity to get online (which is not very likely) or Thursday evening when I return home.

In the interim, I have to say that it looks like you're just a typical tinhatter who can't back up what he says, can't respond to legitimate inquiries, can't even accept the offer of the decade, and has instead decided to make up excuses to get out of responding to legitimate posts and offers that were offered in good faith to your own posts.

See you Thursday.
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Please read Gravy's post that started it and direct further crs examination to him.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2058196&postcount=292

As I said I am researching my response to your offer.

I can't wait until Thursday.
 
Russell Pickering said:
Can you link me to that please?
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Sorry, I assumed you had that information.

From page 83 of this document: http://www.cstl.nist.gov/div831/strbase/pub_pres/Edson2004.pdf

Nuclear DNA testing (along with dental records and
fingerprints) of the remains from the victims aboard
American Airline (AA) Flight 77 and within the Pentagon
was useful for identifying 178 of the 183 victims. Five
missing individuals (four within the Pentagon and one
aboard the airplane) could not be identified due to lack of
biological material from the crash. Five remaining nuclear
STR profiles were obtained from the crash site that did not
match any references for the victims. These profiles were
thought to represent the terrorists aboard the flight. The 40
victims aboard the United Airline (UA) Flight 93 that
crashed near Shanksville, PA, were also identified by
nuclear DNA testing, dental records, and fingerprinting.
Four nonmatching nuclear DNA profiles were also obtained
from the crash site and again tentatively ascribed to the
terrorists.

The DNA results strengthened the hypothesis that two
of the terrorists were brothers, as indicated by other
evidence. Two of the terrorist STR profiles aboard the AA
Flight 77 gave a sibling index greater than 500. To further
test the hypothesis of maternal relatedness, AFDIL
sequenced the HVI and HVII regions of mtDNA for these
individuals. The sequences generated did match in HVI
and HVII, which is consistent with a maternal relationship
between the two men.
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Pentagon victim list: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/metro/specials/attacked/victims/viclist.html

Flight manifest copies (7 mb Zipped file, courtesy 911myths.com): http://www.911myths.com/911_Manifests.zip
 
Russell Pickering said:
The main gear of a 757 was found back inside the building in the same area of the exit hole (50-75 feet away). I have talked with the person who found it and took the original photos.

The rim was originally inside the building and brought out. It did not sustain damage that indicated penetrating the wall in addition to my knowledge of where it was originally found.
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Not sure if we're talking about that same thing here. I mean the photos of the black tire in the drive. I don't know if it was attached to the wheel.
 
Russell Pickering said:
Please read Gravy's post that started it and direct further crs examination to him.
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Cross examination? I asked you to present your evidence, and you responded by demanding that I prove that explosives weren't used.

Russell, do you actually not understand that since none of the results of the investigations agree with your claims, and no other experts support your claims, and mountains of evidence support the "official version," the burden is on you to prove your claims, not on others to disprove them?
 
Mince said:
You could, but you'd have to keep your foot on the key. Which indicates immediate assualt. If the terrorists were just giving him demands, then the prudent pilot might do what you've just described. But even that's risky as the receiving party is sure to respond and the terrorist would likely hear it. If the terrorists immediately assaulted the aircrew, then it is very unlikely they would have even thought of keying the radio.




Not sure. I've never heard of a Prowler in such formation. Thought I'm sure it's likely. Why do you ask?
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Because after they tried to deny Captain Burlingame an Arlington burial with his parents and his family won that, the USG tried to deny him a missing man formation, and after they won that then they proposed a Prowler flyover, then after they won that for Hornets they cancelled the flyover altogether.

The USG treated him very poorly.
 
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Scientologist said:
Hey Russell...

600 posts and not one piece of factual evidence to back up your claims.

Ok, who's gonna give me credit for calling this wackjob out on the first page of his introduction?!!!!
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VERY exaggerated, but I am just a douchebag as you said around the time of my first post.

May I request that you just find something else to focus on?
 
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