Hugo Chavez could easily be elected to congress by NH thanks to right-thinking granite staters like yourself.
Hugo Chavez could easily be elected to congress by NH thanks to right-thinking granite staters like yourself.
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Shirley you mean "left-thinking."
shemp
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Not at all! Spending money is good for the economy and is a blow against terrorism! If we stop buying Venezuelan gas, then the terrorists have won!
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It's our business if we're being robbed by being sold an overpriced product. And since Exxon can afford to throw away 400 mil on an already rich disgusting fat pig, I'd say the market was cheated out of, atleast, 400 million dollars. And I’ll reiterate, it's really sad that a foreign leader offers Americans low price oil while an American robber baron gets obscenely wealthy off our backs.
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I'll take it for free, just to hurt him.
I don't expect to get anything from him, but I think he's quite capable of giving freebies to the poor here in order to foster class warfare.
Maybe, but financial difficulties even get the attention of communists. Any way I can help get him there I will do.
I don't care who his allies might end up being. They damned sure won't include me.
I can't wait till someone tells you you're overpaid. We'll see which way your indignance blows then.
Oh, and that "getting wealthy on others' backs" is also known by its shorter name, capitalism.
How do you feel about the fact that Chavez's largesse to the American poor comes at the expense of his own more numerous Venezuelan poor? Do you really believe he gives a flying fart about "the poor"? He's playing the demagogue game, nothing more, nothing less. At least your robber baron did something to earn his $400 million, and that money comes out of the pockets of the shareholders of his company, not the U.S. treasury. Chavez, OTOH, is robbing his own country's treasury because he thinks it's cool to pretend he's Robin Hood.
Funny, even after the Soviet Union collapsed, even after China has become wealthy by embracing capitalism, even when two economic beggar-class countries, Cuba and North Korea, are today's face of communism, you can still find apologists for the most successful misery-and-death creating system ever devised by the mind of man. Lincoln was right; you can fool some of the people all of the time.
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Let me clear something up. I don't praise Chavez for offering the oil, and I question his intentions. I'm just making the sad observation that a foreigner is offering to take care of Americans before they take care of their own.
Although it may be more complex than that, you're essentially right.
Like Bush. Except bush is robbing our treasury because he thinks it's cool to pretend he's a warrior and to hook his cronies up with free money.
Take a look in the mirror; you're doing exactly what you describe above when you apologize for Christian atrocities, something that has a longer and more brutal history than communism. Furthermore, since I agree with you about Chavez, it's a laughable assertion that I'm apologizing for Chavez.
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That's not quite the spin you put on it the first time:
Then you were blasting the American robber baron and his "obscene" wealth (you didn't call him a capitalist pig, but I'm sure that was just an oversight on your part), while observing that a foreigner was "offering to take care of Americans."
And if you think Americans don't "take care of their own," you need to spend a little time looking at the federal budget; you'll find that we "take care of our own" to the tune of close to a trillion - that's trillion, with a "t" - dollars a year
Let's get one thing straight, okay? That single robber baron has done more to improve the human condition all by himself than all your "share-the-wealth" and "redistribute-the-land" demagogues who ever existed. He creates wealth; your Hugo Chavezes simply try to take it from Peter (skimming a little off the top for himself) so he can get Paul's blubbering gratitude. And simpletons sit back and admire Chavez because they disapprove of Peter.
I'll be happy to discuss that laughable assertion with you in another thread, if you care to start it. Here it's a complete derail.
You just find his robbing his country's treasury to score some cheap political points with the ignoranti somehow admirable.
There appears to be plenty of rancor within the U.S. for even a transparent manipulator like Chavez to exploit.
Often I wonder if it's truly class warfare. Sometimes I think the claimed issue is simply cover for the individual, who is engaged in partisan politics, which can degrade to the point of doing or saying anything in order to damage the party or leader currently in power.
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I worded it different, big deal. That's not "spin".
So what? BTW, Your bit about "capitalist pig" is poisoning the well. Also, I wouldn't consider robber barons capitalists.
If you think that's what I said, you need to read more carefully.
LOL
I see you're as paranoid as ever.
More delusional paranoia.
No, I don't. I agree with you (unless you're saying you find Chaves' actions admirable). You're taking a page out of Chavez's book by engaging in the demagoguery. Chavez is obviously your boogie-man du-jour. Your wild and bazaar assertions betray your lack of ability to discuss this rationally.
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Rant quotient: 100. Substance quotient: 0.
BTW, it's "bizarre." Bazaar is a place you go shopping.
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An apt description for post #69. You give crap, you get crap.
As an aside, notice how BP is whining despite the fact that I agree with him? That's got to be a first.
Oh, sorry. I didn't realize you intended "robber baron" to be a term of praise. My mistake. Glad to hear you've finally seen the light.
Are you saying you agree with my "crap"?
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It's a mysery to me that anyone in the US gives a spit about Chavez at all. He's a second tier small time dictator of a a third world country which poses absolutely no threat to the US, yet when he calls Bush devil, the nation goes to pieces. I can't believe Americans can be so thin skinned.
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I see that senility continues to take it's toll.
Go back and read post #68. I said you were right about Chavez and that I agree with you. That was before you got unhinged and started frothing at the mouth.
Senile or not, I've somehow figured out that "it's" is not the possessive form of "it." It's "its."
Got it?
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Couple of quick points: The robber-baron that some seem to be so angry about. Did he receive a large portion of his salary via stock options or was he actually paid $400 million? This is a significant question because, if he was paid in stock options, then that money came from the increase in stock price that he worked toward. If the stock had dropped, he would have made nothing on those options and, I suspect, nobody here would be complaining about that. An increase in stock price does not come at the expense of the consumer or the shareholders (they make money right along with him). Options are a good way of ensuring that a CEO works towards the growth of the company because he can't exercise those options unless the stock price improves.
On the subject of China drilling off the Florida coast and Cuba: Logically, the best thing for China to do with the oil they pump out of the gulf would be to transport it to refineries in the U.S. - it's closer and the U.S. is the largest market in the world. Then use the money to buy oil closer to home, like the Persian gulf where they already get the majority of their oil anyway. Transportation is an expense and the best way to maximize profits is to limit expense.
On the subject of China drilling off the Florida coast and Cuba: Logically, the best thing for China to do with the oil they pump out of the gulf would be to transport it to refineries in the U.S. - it's closer and the U.S. is the largest market in the world. Then use the money to buy oil closer to home, like the Persian gulf where they already get the majority of their oil anyway. Transportation is an expense and the best way to maximize profits is to limit expense.