• Quick note - the problem with Youtube videos not embedding on the forum appears to have been fixed, thanks to ZiprHead. If you do still see problems let me know.

Loose Change - Part IV

Status
Not open for further replies.
negativ said:
Am I overreacting when I feel genuinely bothered by this little gem at LC?

Hmm.
Click to expand...

No, I don't think that you are.

I find that sort of talk to be profoundly disturbing for any number of reasons not least that these people could end up giving active help to AQ or a similar group.

If you think I 'm overreacting read this article at the 'Militia Watchdog Archive'.
 
I posted on this article in the editorials section. It mostly concerns the Arizona Chapter of 9-11 Denial, but the writer (who also did a terrific takedown of LC back in April) gives Dylan a fat lip on the second page:

Perhaps Loose Change's pinheaded producers would care to run their fingers through the gore — that is, exhume what little's left of the corpses?
Click to expand...
 
Darth Rotor said:
Now, it seems to be all well and good for the US to underwrite the largest single contribution to the UN, and to the UN peacekeeping budget, but you somehow feel that no credit is due for the multi billion dollar efforts, time, and manpower done for and on behalf of UN operations, UN sanctions, and UN humanitarian operations, for the excuse that the sovereign government of the US, in this case the Congress, no longer trusts the other members of the UN, and the UNSC, to exercise rational and coherent Command and Control. A Canadian named McKenzie has some rather acid observations on dual key stupidity.

You are free to try and play a bookkeepers game here, and wilfully ignore contributions to UN and humanitarian efforts that reach into the billions, but you'll calmly assert that the US doesn't do UN stuff.

Do you wonder why some Americans get steamed at this myopic view of what constitutes support for the UN?
Click to expand...


I think there has been a misunderstanding here.

We were discussing the UN army's invasion of the world. Someone made the suggestion that the US provides the majority of the UN's troops. I simply corrected that incorrect observation.

I agree with you 100%. The US support of the UN grossly exceeds it's fair share of the burden. I also believe the US is correct to reject the laughable excuse for a cluster-**** that the UN calls its "command and control". When Israel were shelling Lebanon and the UN left its unarmed UNMOBs as sitting ducks in the line of fire (one of them was a kiwi) I wished that NZ would ALSO refuse to provide forces to UN missions.

My opinion of UN peace-keeping/enforcement efforts post Korea are nothing short of disgust. The UN sits in the same position as the League of Nations. The only thing missing to produce a catastrophe like WW2 is another Hitler. And the Usual Suspects abound at the moment.

In another thread I talked of Lebanon being the UN's chance to save face after their laughable efforts of the last decade and a half. But as we have seen, there efforts there have simply followed the trend. The UN has failed in its primary mission, plain and simple. I offer my most sincere gratitude to the US for continuing to carry the torch, despite fierce criticism (and regardless of the actual motivation).

Anyway, we're off topic...:o I think we can agree the UN isn't going to be invading the world any time soon - while the US may only provide 29 if its thousands of troops, the US is the muscle that the UN unleashes whenever it wants to do anything useful. (Or perhaps it is more accurate to say the UN doesn't object when the US decides it's time to do something useful, UN or not)

-Andrew
 
Gravy said:
So, Submersible, please point out to me one fireman's quote that I've posted that shows a lack of courage on their part. Do it or shut up.
Click to expand...


Indeed some would argue that while Bravery involved acting without fear (usually due to ignorance or stupidity) Courage (a much greater trait) actually required the existence of fear, for 'tis acting in spite of fear. Some would argue that acting courageously automatically indicated fear.

-Andrew
 
Brainster said:
I will be on The World Tonight with Rob Breakenridge of AM 770, CHQR Monday night, September 11, at 10:00 PM Eastern Time. For those of you not fortunate enough to live in Calgary, you can listen in live here. We will be taking callers. The call-in numbers are 1-800-563-7770, or 403-974-8255. Rob is hoping to fit in a whole hour on the topic of 9-11 Denial, but obviously it depends on the level of listener interest and breaking news that day.

I'll post a reminder on Monday.
Click to expand...

Excellent. Please do post the reminder and I will call in ~ hmmmmmm, what to ask? what to ask? :D
 
Mark Iradian Mentioned in Cox & Forkum!

Kudos to JREFer Markyx! In the notes to today's cartoon, they say:

And lastly, five years later there's no shortage of conspiracy theories about 9/11, one even from a Florida Democratic candidate. It shouldn't even be necessary, but some people are vigilantly debunking of the deniers:

Screw Loose Change by Mark Iradian is an excellent site dedicated to debunking a video known as "Loose Change" that propagates leftist 9/11 conspiracy theories.
Click to expand...

Incidentally, the link goes to Markyx's site, so it's not one of those cases where people get the blog and the movie mixed up.

The only thing that would make it better is if he'd gotten mentioned in the cartoon itself. Still, it's a classic, made even better when you know the story behind the cartoon, (in the text).
 
Last edited:
Brainster said:
Kudos to JREFer Markyx! In the notes to today's cartoon, they say:



Incidentally, the link goes to Markyx's site, so it's not one of those cases where people get the blog and the movie mixed up.

The only thing that would make it better is if he'd gotten mentioned in the cartoon itself. Still, it's a classic, made even better when you know the story behind the cartoon, (in the text).
Click to expand...

Yeah he sent me an email yesterday about it :)

Uh..surprise?
 
Gravy said:
Well, they do call the AC-130U gunship "Spooky." I didn't know it was that spooky, though.

Daniels is the creepy dude who sent me some Ka-ray-zee emails about how the apocalypse was coming and I was going to be toast without jam.
Click to expand...

When the revolution comes, we're going to be the first bastards lined up against the wall and shot, right there with the Sirius Cybernetics Corporation.
 
Steven Jones Doesn't Have a PHD?

Color me stunned. According to this new blog, Implosion World has corrected their recent article as follows:

Steven E. Jones does not have a doctorate degree, so Implosion World changed the text to refer to him as “Professor Jones”
Click to expand...

Scholars for 9-11 Truth appears to have made the change already:

Steven Jones (FM)

Professor of Physics, Brigham Young University, co-chair of Scholars for 9/11 Truth and the creator of its home page and its forum
Click to expand...

Oddly, however, Jones continues to be referred to as "Dr Jones" in BYU press releases to the Deseret Morning News:

"BYU has repeatedly said that it does not endorse assertions made by individual faculty," the statement said. "We are, however, concerned about the increasingly speculative and accusatory nature of these statements by Dr. Jones."
Click to expand...
:eek:
 
Gravy said:
Ah. Okay. Well, the Orio Palmer example was a bad one. He was on the 78th floor of the south tower seven minutes before it collapsed. He wasn't going to make it out no matter what communications systems they had.
Click to expand...

What about the massive amount of firemen in tower 1 that supposedly didn't hear the calls to evacuate because the repeater wasn't working?

When the case was closed, signed sealed and delivered by the mayor and the FDNY commissioner, their deaths were blamed on a repeater that failed, and it didn't.
And neither one of them had any additional comments to make on the subject after the Port Authority tapes were released? Nor was the investigation into their murder re-opened.
I guess it's better off to leave the blame on somebody else like OBL so "we the people" can continue to fund the war against the most RELIGIOUS sector of the Muslim world.

I'm sure these are bad examples too:

http://www.forbes.com/forbeslife/health/feeds/hscout/2006/09/05/hscout534771.html
http://www.buzzle.com/editorials/8-25-2006-106608.asp
http://www.cdc.gov/MMWR/preview/mmwrhtml/mm5335a1.htm
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/06/nyregion/06health.html
http://www.usatoday.com/money/industries/health/2006-06-25-911-health-usat_x.htm

But I'm sure most of you will say that the USG, EPA, and city of New York hasn't turned their backs on the dying and suffering rescue workers either, right.

I'm sure that none of you find it odd that one week after the "CT'ers" hit the news, the terrorist threat was elevated, when the contents of carry on luggage was restricted because of the new "LIQUID EXPLOSIVE" threat to the airline's.

Gravy said:
I made no such thing obvious. Do you think you know, based on some photos, more than the people on the scene? Are those couple of photos the be-all and end-all of our knowledge about WTC 7, or should we consult the professionals who were there? The determination of the size and extent of the fires is based on the expert reports, not on the two photos you posted. The photos, and videos, http://tinyurl.com/f3tvd http://tinyurl.com/zg4un show a huge volume of smoke coming from many floors. If you want to argue that the volume of smoke is produced by small fires, go ahead, but support your argument with facts. Actually, forget that for now. I'd like to know – based only on the photos and videos – not including the eyewitness reports – why you think there weren't huge fires in WTC 7.

Your links don't work stud.

RIFFÔÃRAVI LISTHhdrlavih8W‚Úü]Rð LISTtstrlstrh8vidsXVIDèuü]Rÿÿÿÿð strf((ð XVIDTLIST€strlstrh8audsÀ]%u ¡ÿÿÿÿstrfUD¬À] Ûstrn Audio StreamJUNK

RIFFŒ¡ AVI LISTìhdrlavih8âÐ@ðLIST”strlstrh8vidsxvid›[€–˜Ð{M'@ðstrf((@ð XVIDJUNK

And I think that there were't huge fires in the building because there is no sign of fire in the image with all the smoke rising up the side of the building. You do know that smoke rises don't you?
I guess your going to tell me that there was fire present on the floors facing south in that image, but all of the smoke decided to travel out of the east or west side of the building.
maybe the wind was blowing. :D

Take me to your leader. I'd like to have a word or two.
Click to expand...

Your fat ass is planted on HER.
 
DHR said:
just who is your leader
Click to expand...

misc1017.jpg
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

Back
Top Bottom