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Loose Change - Part IV

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Darth Rotor said:
As to the bolded line, it is Bullsh**. Money talks and BS walks.
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*sigh*

Please read what I write. If you can find me one photo of an American serviceman (in service at the time) wearing a blue UN helmet surrounded by a white American military vehicle with "UN" painted on it, I'll agree with you.

Until then I maintain my assertion that the US does not provide its personnel directly to UN command operations.

All of the examples you presented involved UNSC-approved international coalition operations. They were NOT UN command operations.

If we take Somalia, for example, it began with UNOSOM I, which was a UN operation and did not involve US troops. Because this failed utterly, it was replaced with UNITAF (an international coalition) led by the US. This was in turn followed up by UNOSOM II, again without the US. Of course this didn't work well either, so the US deployed Task Force Ranger, unilaterally. Cue the Battle of Mogadishu.

-Andrew
 
I hope this ends the Laetriel/B17/Amygdalin sidetrack:
Info about the ineffectiveness of Laetrile.
Note it specifically lists Lima beans as a source of Laetrile, and that the site I gave before puts the Laetrile content of Lima beans on par with that of apricot pits.

Submersible, it looks like you can "protect" yourself from cancer just by eating lima beans. I know you can get those in just about any store. You can also get them dried or fresh, in case you are afraid the canned ones may have had all their B17 goodness cooked out of them. Failing that, you might want to look into getting some fresh cassava, from which tapioca pudding is made. The bitter varieties have up to 20 times more Laetrile in them.

So much for a conspiracy to prevent access to B17.
 
You follow the words of your leader, and I'll follow the words of mine.
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You mean him?

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From the LC Forum, posted by Badmachine:

One can read this several ways:

PM by accepting a debate with Dylan Avery is in a backhanded way possibly trying to imply that the best the Truth movement has to offer is a 20 something filmaker. (Absolutely no offense implied - I'm just a 30 something guy with a Mickey Mouse 9/11 web site - Dylan may actually eat him for lunch and I hope so)

But PM doesn't seem to want at all to cross brains with Prof. Steven Jones, Dr. David Ray Griffin or Dr. Jim Fetzer or even acknowledge the movements legitimacy by debating people with highly regarded credentials.

Once again, NO offense implied.

As I was trying to say, when was the last time the establishment gave a hoot about the opinions of any regular citizen?

This in my view is a backhanded attempt to marginalize the movement in a subtle way.

But I hope PM gets their head handed to them

Methinks I hear the sounds of an alibi being set up...
 
Jhunter1163:
I think a set of quote tags would have been very helpful. I had to re-read your post three times before it sank in that none of the post was from you.

Badmachine@LC Forum said:
One can read this several ways:

PM by accepting a debate with Dylan Avery is in a backhanded way possibly trying to imply that the best the Truth movement has to offer is a 20 something filmaker. (Absolutely no offense implied - I'm just a 30 something guy with a Mickey Mouse 9/11 web site - Dylan may actually eat him for lunch and I hope so)

But PM doesn't seem to want at all to cross brains with Prof. Steven Jones, Dr. David Ray Griffin or Dr. Jim Fetzer or even acknowledge the movements legitimacy by debating people with highly regarded credentials.

Once again, NO offense implied.

As I was trying to say, when was the last time the establishment gave a hoot about the opinions of any regular citizen?

This in my view is a backhanded attempt to marginalize the movement in a subtle way.

But I hope PM gets their head handed to them

Methinks I hear the sounds of an alibi being set up...
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Gawd, Dylan is going to get his arse handed to him.
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I disagree. Dylan is going to come off not looking as bad as he could because all he is going to do is to throw a whole list of "questions" out, and won't debate anything. In the end, he will just say that the other guy didn't actually address the issues he brought up.

I hope I'm wrong, but, as I've said before, these vaguely defined "debates" are a bad idea. See the example of Fetzer in Slingblade's thread about LC coming to her school. When he got a question about whether there were real passengers on the planes, he went through a list of about 10 other topics and never actually answered the question.

If you want to have "debates" on this, you have to narrow the topic and keep it on focus. Pick a Loosers claim such as "WTC 7 fell by controlled demolition" and discuss that. Then stupid crap like "the hijackers weren't on the passenger lists" can be dismissed as irrelevant to the topic at hand.

However, the general topic that 9/11 was a conspiracy is far too broad and a debate is going to be unproductive.

As has been pointed out, it's like debating creationists. They can start ripping out claims, and only hope that you don't have time to address them all. Then they can claim that you haven't addressed all their "questions" and declare victory.

I think it's a bad idea to go there.
 
Sorry, Mort. I'm not registered over there and for some reason I have trouble using the Quote function when trying to lift stuff from LC. I realized it was unclear when I posted it. Anyone want to give me a quick tutorial in using quote tags when pulling stuff off LC?
 
Just copy and paste into your post here, then select the text in the editor and hit the "Quote" button. It looks like a word balloon from the cartoons. Edit the first quote tag like this to put the LCer's name in
 
JREFer James B Editorial in Seattle Post Intelligencer

Kudos to James B for a great article:

As the anniversary of these tragic events approaches, many will remember the victims, and many a tear will be shed for them. But a significant group of people wants to hijack their memories and falsify their history for their own motivations. It is the responsibility of this nation, its people and its media to insist that the truth be told, and their memories not be sullied.
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jhunter1163 said:
Sorry, Mort. I'm not registered over there and for some reason I have trouble using the Quote function when trying to lift stuff from LC. I realized it was unclear when I posted it. Anyone want to give me a quick tutorial in using quote tags when pulling stuff off LC?
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It's really simple. Just copy and paste your quote, then put
in front of it. After the quote, put /quote (but inside brackets again, I didn't put it here because then it would have put all that in a quote box).

I'm old enough that I used a typewriter to write college papers, you should be able to figure it out.
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WildCat said:
It's really simple. Just copy and paste your quote, then put
in front of it. After the quote, put /quote (but inside brackets again, I didn't put it here because then it would have put all that in a quote box).
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You can also figure out how all the BB formatting tags work by toggling the Editor Mode back and forth. The button is on the upper right and looks sort of like this: A/A
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The following description of 'Loose Change 2' appeared in the TV section of "The West Australian" newspaper under the byline of 'Pam Brown'. :

The second documentary, Loose Change 2, will be shown on the History Channel on Monday at 9:30pm. It is an update made this year of a documentary by Dylan Avery that swept around the internet last year, becoming an instant favourite with conspiracy theorists.

It uses forensic examination of the witness testimony, on-the-spot reporting and scientific evidence to tell the story but the conclusions reached by Avery are very different.
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(Another program 'Fallout: The Health Impact of 9/11 is also described.)

Among his claims are that it was a missile, not a plane, that hit the Pentagon and that the impacts of the planes and fires were not enough to cause the towers to collapse.
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It's quite clear that 'Pam Brown' or whoever actually wrote the piece has not seen 'Loose Change'.

I'd like to suggest that it might not be a bad idea to send 'letters (emails) to the editor' about this. I'm drafting one at the moment which I'll post to the forum for comment.
 
WildCat said:
It's really simple. Just copy and paste your quote, then put
in front of it. After the quote, put slashquote (but inside brackets again, I didn't put it here because then it would have put all that in a quote box).

I'm old enough that I used a typewriter to write college papers, you should be able to figure it out.
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You can also just paste your quote, highlight all the quoted text, then hit that little quote thingy on the toolbar at the top.
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In the LC Flight Path Analysis thread, driver (does he post here) embarrased JDX with this gem:
Merc, maybe I was wrong in assuming the guy running Pilots for Truth would have access to an airplane. I thought he would clear this all up when he set 30.22 in an actual altimeter and abandon his average conversion value.
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His reward was getting banned by JDX.

The truth wins out :rolleyes:
 
Am I overreacting when I feel genuinely bothered by this little gem at LC?

Maybe it's rash, but I don't think we're just going to get the truth about 9/11 by asking politely
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It's damn stupid to sit back and wait, sorry, but it's the truth. All of this happened so quickly, now we're just stuck, tredding water, waiting for something to happen. And meanwhile we're the ones who should be making the happenings.
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is there a place we can talk about this without being watched?

i'm seriously asking. like, where can we talk about this? i have ideas. but agreeing to do something that could be considered treasonous can be defined as conspiracy to commit (which violates the constitution, of course - which defines treason as an "overt action", but thats beside the point).

there is a portion of this movement that needs to be underground. pls invite me if there already is or pls lets discuss if not.
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If it's gonna happen, and I'm dubbed a terrorist, then I hope someone else has the same mind set as mine and they're more careful in the planning process.
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I think it's up to us to take the power away from the same old ********ters who sit in the whitehouse all day, even if violence is the only solution.
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Like firsty said man, time to get the ball rolling. Truth be told revolution doesn't mean gunshots to me. But if that's what it takes so the future generations of this government of the people to have it better off, I'm all for it.
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Hmm.
 
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