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Loose Change - Part IV

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:eye-poppi Overreacting? No way. If they're talking like this on a public message board, imagine the ideas that get floated when they gather in private.

The FBI might be interested in this.

Indeed. Make their little paranoid delusional fantasies about being watched by "The Man" come true.
 
Hell, with their knowledge of explosives etc. the truthers might already have tried to start the violent campaign without anyone noticing. I can just see them looking at a skyscraper wired for CD - in the same way they think WTC7 was - scratching their heads, and wondering why nothing's coming down :D

Oh, and just noticed they think Emma Goldman was a marxist :rolleyes:
 
:eye-poppi Overreacting? No way. If they're talking like this on a public message board, imagine the ideas that get floated when they gather in private.

The FBI might be interested in this.
Might want to screenshot those for posterity's sake as well. I know DylanCo. has been preaching a peaceful assembly on Monday. It is kinda disturbing to see them bring up violence and "gunshots" as a way to get the ball rolling.
 
In Abby's video, when Mark is talking to the Looser about thermite, in the background is the "Millenium Hilton." What's up with that spelling? The only place I've seen "Millenium" spelled with one "N" is at the Ratbags website, where the owner refers to his work as The Millenium Project:

The site skewers stuff like Intelligent Design, homeopathy, chirpractic, etc. In other words, one like us. Is that his hotel?
[Tour Guide Mode] They wanted to be different from all the other "Millennium" business that were opening just prior to 2000. As an English major, it bugs the hell out of me. Some day I'm going to mount a late-night commando raid and install the missing N. [/Tour Guide Mode]
 
Kudos to James B for a great article:

As the anniversary of these tragic events approaches, many will remember the victims, and many a tear will be shed for them. But a significant group of people wants to hijack their memories and falsify their history for their own motivations. It is the responsibility of this nation, its people and its media to insist that the truth be told, and their memories not be sullied.

Right on. These CT'ers don't give a (rule 8) darn about the victims of this horrific terrorist act. They're just fodder for their demented dreams of the United-States-is-bad.

Bunch of 60's leftovers, no matter what their age.

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Kudos to James B for a great article:

I don't get a lot of opportunity to post here (or anywhere for that matter), and by the time I read an especially objectionable post it has usually been torn to shreds by the crack JREF Ninja team. But I do want to thank the following people for kicking a** on this thread and this subforum in general:

Gravy
MarkyX
JamesB
Brainster
Kent1
Chipmunk stew
Abby (Great video!)
Pardalis
Belz
Wildcat
Arkan_Wolfshade
Huntsman
delphi_ote
gumboot
Zach

Heck, it might be shorter to list the people who come in with no facts, post and run. Because I want to post the name of everyone who has contributed in any way. I'm proud to be associated, even in a small way, with you people.

And I would also like to join MortFurd in a smackdown of Submersible, who seems to think that the FDNY went about their business that day in a heroic manner because they didn't think WTC7 was coming down. I wish Submersible would explain his viewpoint in person to the surviving members of the FDNY. I don't think laetrile will be of much concern to him after that.
 
Am I overreacting when I feel genuinely bothered by this little gem at LC?

Hmm.

No I don't think you are over reacting and I have read this thread with genuine unease.

The "elders" try to give out this air of grace and fatherly knowledge also. It's almost borders on internet glooming IMO.

This entire section is deeply disturbing.
 
Maybe your right
You miss the point. (BTW, it's "you're" when you mean "you are"). It's not me who's right. I wasn't there. I presented the reports of the experts who were on the scene, which completely contradict your unsupported claim that there weren't huge fires in WTC 7. I want to know why your reply is "maybe," and not, "Oh, I didn't know that. I guess I should do my homework next time."

but this is what turned me on to the whole 9/11 disaster after I had somewhat put it all past me:
http://www.mishalov.com/wtc_lostvoicesfiredept.html
I have no idea what your point is here. Chief Palmer died. That sucks. And?

The Port Authority tapes prove the "official report" that explains the outrageous number of firefighter deaths, that was signed by him and the mayor, was a straight up lie.
Maybe my mind got caught up in the conspiracy again because...
well because the FDNY Commissioner and the mayor of NYC was LYING about the reason so many firemen died that day.
Ah. Okay. Well, the Orio Palmer example was a bad one. He was on the 78th floor of the south tower seven minutes before it collapsed. He wasn't going to make it out no matter what communications systems they had.

And you have posted quotes from firemen and their chief's which claim that they were afraid that the building was going to "fall down" .
Yes. WTC 7. If you have a problem with their statements, come out and say it.

This isn't a "huge" fire compared to the size of the structure,
What's your basis for that statement?

since you've made it obvious that you cannot see through the smoke screen... at least you posted an image that proves that there was NO fire showing on that side of the building prior to collapse.
I made no such thing obvious. Do you think you know, based on some photos, more than the people on the scene? Are those couple of photos the be-all and end-all of our knowledge about WTC 7, or should we consult the professionals who were there? The determination of the size and extent of the fires is based on the expert reports, not on the two photos you posted. The photos, and videos, http://tinyurl.com/f3tvd http://tinyurl.com/zg4un show a huge volume of smoke coming from many floors. If you want to argue that the volume of smoke is produced by small fires, go ahead, but support your argument with facts. Actually, forget that for now. I'd like to know – based only on the photos and videos – not including the eyewitness reports – why you think there weren't huge fires in WTC 7.

Look at the other building right next to it, there is structural damage to that building as well, but for some reason there wasn't a single fire caused by the collapse of the twin towers.
hmmmm.
Quite a foolish statement. WFC 3 is nowhere near WTC 7, nor did it sustain deep structural damage. When are you going to stop making these uneducated pronouncements? It doesn't take a lot of time to look up a few facts. Or, you know, you could just ask. We're an excellent resource, for those who care about learning.

You follow the words of your leader, and I'll follow the words of mine.
Take me to your leader. I'd like to have a word or two.
 
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I'm afraid you don't understand. Do you see how the word "afraid" can be used so as not to mean "quaking in fear and panic?" I listened live to the firemen in the towers on 911. I heard them going about their tasks without panic. They were quite rightly concerned that the towers might collapse. They may have each personally feared for their lives. There was no panic.

Superheroes.
Thanks for picking up on that, Mortfurd. I missed what he was implying.

So, Submersible, please point out to me one fireman's quote that I've posted that shows a lack of courage on their part. Do it or shut up.

Goddamn, this crap sickens me.
 
This guy isn't gonna last long at LC.


Geiz@LC said:
Edit: Also, i'm willing to provide any details about the incident that you would like, including times, what I saw, etc. I think I might have a picture of one the street lamps that was knocked over as the plane flew over. I can probably find a picture of that taxi driver who got his cab wrecked by the landing gear (atlteast I think that's what hit it). I don't know why you think there's some huge conspiracy behind this, but it's actually very clear what happened. There's little to be misinterpreted, as I and thousands of others saw the thing fly overhead.

A little follow up here. Looks like I was right, his post was deleted and I cant find any other posts from him, so he's probably banned as well. The Troooof is like sunshine over at LC.

Merc said:
Geiz is lying and his account will be deleted from this thread.
 
Geiz is lying and his account will be deleted from this thread.
So that's it then. The truth no longer has room for any evidence that backs up the OS in any way shape or form. Any person who saw the plane fly over head is just a flat-out liar.

Being so certain as to what constitutes truth vs. lies, it sounds to me like they're wrapping up their research over there. I can't wait for their final report of what REALLY happened.
 
*sigh*

Please read what I write. -Andrew
Did you read the first link?

Reality: 29 American military men and women are currently serving in UN peacekeeping operations. Americans therefore represent less than 1% of the approximate total of 60,419 soldiers serving in UN peacekeeping operations.

Now, it seems to be all well and good for the US to underwrite the largest single contribution to the UN, and to the UN peacekeeping budget, but you somehow feel that no credit is due for the multi billion dollar efforts, time, and manpower done for and on behalf of UN operations, UN sanctions, and UN humanitarian operations, for the excuse that the sovereign government of the US, in this case the Congress, no longer trusts the other members of the UN, and the UNSC, to exercise rational and coherent Command and Control. A Canadian named McKenzie has some rather acid observations on dual key stupidity.

You are free to try and play a bookkeepers game here, and wilfully ignore contributions to UN and humanitarian efforts that reach into the billions, but you'll calmly assert that the US doesn't do UN stuff.

Do you wonder why some Americans get steamed at this myopic view of what constitutes support for the UN?

DR
 
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Is the LC site not loading or loading very slowly for anyone besides me? I wouldn't shed a tear if there is a DoS attack on it.
 
Screw Loose Change on the Radio!

I will be on The World Tonight with Rob Breakenridge of AM 770, CHQR Monday night, September 11, at 10:00 PM Eastern Time. For those of you not fortunate enough to live in Calgary, you can listen in live here. We will be taking callers. The call-in numbers are 1-800-563-7770, or 403-974-8255. Rob is hoping to fit in a whole hour on the topic of 9-11 Denial, but obviously it depends on the level of listener interest and breaking news that day.

I'll post a reminder on Monday.
 
In the "You can't get any stupider than this" department, we have a little gem from Daniels in the Youth for 9/11 truth forum on LC. You all know about those lightpoles that were knocked over at the Pentagon? Well since a cruise missile doesn't have the wingspan to knock down all the lightpoles, Daniels proposes a theory that is sure to rock your world, rock you to your foundation, and put a shock to your system all at the same time.

Daniels said:
Keep sowing those seeds dude, shadow1768.

And yeah, MichaelMR, the lightpoles may have been dropped from the C130 that people DID see in the area at the time.

[edit: highlight the sentence where the shadowy shadow1768 tries to sow the seeds of doubt]
Bolding mine.
http://www.unipeak.net/gethtml.php?...nZV9Gb3J1bS9pbmRleC5waHA/c2hvd3RvcGljPTExMzI3

Wha-wha-what?:eye-poppi
 
I keep telling everyone it was the Leprachauns...

It only takes about 6 of them around the base of each lightpole to pop it up out of its casing and then "Timber"...why use a C-130 when you've got the little green guys...

TAM
 
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