Moderated Dowsing By Edge

We all would, but I fear it will be some time. It's about a year since he last said he'd take the test, as soon as he rid his home state of all interference and adverse metals, gravity anomalies found on NASA satellite passes, mass concentrations, platinum, etc, etc. He claims to use his ability every day to find precious metals, yet is living on the edge of poverty and cant get it to work when anyone actually asks him to show it in action. Sad really.
 
Well, darn. Edge is one of a very small pool of people who actually had the nerve to test his abilities. Achau Nguyen, self-described telepath, was another. He took a preliminary test and failed in the summer of 2005. However, on August 1, 2005, Mr. Nguyen did assure us all
I do plan on retaking the test next year. Everything you guys say makes alotta sense, but the reason I really wanna do this is to get people on my side, I'm not tryna ask you to give me money, or pay me for psychic advice or anything, or tryna brain wash you with a bunch of woo-woo, I just want people to be on my side and be like "Hey, even though this guy failed, he does have something there" you knows?


For a short while, Mr. Nguyen proposed doing an informal and non-binding demonstration of his abilities via web cam, but apparently he lost interest in that as well. I did admire his first post after his attempt:

I totally failed. No excuses.


Unfortunately, soon after that he did begin to make excuses, much like Edge after his failed preliminary test (there was a copy machine next door, an encyclopedia on a shelf in the room had metallic ink on the cover, etc.).
 
I'm fairly new here but this is certainly an "interesting" thread. And, "Edge" is someone I would no doubt enjoy meeting.

Someone asked earlier if (when) he failed, would he admit it his dowsing abilities were due to the ideomotor effect. I doubt that he is familiar with that concept so I would guess the answer would be NO.

It seems as though (in his mind anyway) he has had some luck determining where to dredge for gold in some of the creeks of NorCal. I too have some experience along these lines.

In the 70's I was stationed at an Air Force Base outside of Sacramento and had a friend who lived in Placerville (Old Hangtown.) We spent many weekends panning and dredging the American River near the Placerville area and were usually able to come away with a few flakes. To my knowledge, no one has ever come away with "pounds" although I don't dispute that it's possible.

Edge may simply have learned a few tidbits about where to look. Where the creek/river bends is always a good start as that's where sentiments would have settled over the years. There are quite a few other "clues" about where gold may be more likely to be found but I won't go that into now.

But, how does "having a hunch" about where to pan/dredge for gold have anything to do with being able to demonstrate dowsing in a controlled environment.

Poor Edge is just another self deluded dowser. But, he sems like a nice guy.:)
 
Calcas, let me bring you up to speed.

if you look back through the Swift archives you should find the details of Edge's original preliminary test, conducted by the Jref staff themselves since he was in the area at the time. About a year ago he showed up with his magic twig and a motley collection of gold coloured trinkets, many of which were anything but gold, and claimed he could dowse successfully for any of them. The Jref lumped them all in one big bundle and hid them randomly under one of 10 mugs in a large hall under double-blind conditions.

As expected when he knew where the stuff was his powers were spot on and operational, but when he was asked to find them on his own he did no better than guesswork. He began back-pedalling and claimed that gold-coloured ink in nearby library books, along with other distractions he never worried about during the initial checkout stage, must have thrown his ability off. Excuses flew thick and fast, and he decided he'd go and practice before taking the test again.

He has spent the past year apparently trying to find gold in his local area along with a number of other panners and miners, and to make ends meet he was having to chop wood and do other odd jobs. His plan was to clear an area of land of all false targets and to then practice his art until ready to take the test. As time went on we asked him how it was going, and he went off about needing permits to do it, needing money (despite constantly claiming success in finding gold) and all sorts of physical interference from gravity distortions, precious metals, bits of rock, etc. In short, he couldn't possibly do it.

Edge believes he can find all sorts of things using a stick simply by placing a piece of the target material on the end of it. He claims to find gold easily, yet is dirt poor and no one will hire him for his ability despite his faith in himself. He makes constant excuses for his failure in dowsing. He writes as if English is a second language, and has claimed that it is once or twice. In short, he is self-deluded, although usually fairly pleasant with it, treating us with the pity we deserve as unbelievers.
 
Calcas, let me bring you up to speed.

if you look back through the Swift archives you should find the details of Edge's original preliminary test, conducted by the Jref staff themselves since he was in the area at the time.(snip).

It's right here: http://www.randi.org/jr/032902.html

And it was in the spring of 2002. Edge said that year that he would reapply and win the challenge in the spring of 2003.

So far, though, he has not submitted another application.
 
You guys take him too seriously.

I've read through the string and his old stuff as well. It's actually pretty amusing.

He's a harmless, self deluded guy who probably enjoys pulling your strings. Everything that CAN be explained to him already has, in great detail and in evry way imaginable.

Here's to you Edge. You little nut.
 
You guys take him too seriously.

I've read through the string and his old stuff as well. It's actually pretty amusing.

He's a harmless, self deluded guy who probably enjoys pulling your strings. Everything that CAN be explained to him already has, in great detail and in evry way imaginable.

Here's to you Edge. You little nut.
It might be amusing if he were pulling our string, but he's quite serious. He's even tested for the challenge once. In fact, he got a mention in today's commentary. Hey Edge! You out there? Didn't you send James a change of address form?
 
If Edge is, as we deduct from his previous postings, living on the bread-line with his family because he's trying to make a living by dowsing for gold, then his delusion is anything but harmless. His fantasy concerning his powers is harming those around him in a very real sense.
 
Of course it's possible that he is no good at anything else, in which case this family might still be on the breadline.
 
I'm pretty sure from Edge's previous postings that he has a better half, but not sure about kiddies. If he's able to post in a forum, no matter how bad his spelling and grammar, then he's mentally up to the task of flipping burgers at McDonalds or doing any other job not requiring you to believe in the paranormal.
 
I'm pretty sure from Edge's previous postings that he has a better half, but not sure about kiddies.
Yep. Calls her "Green Eyes". No mention of progeny.

If he's able to post in a forum, no matter how bad his spelling and grammar, then he's mentally up to the task of flipping burgers at McDonalds or doing any other job not requiring you to believe in the paranormal.
Not necessarily. There is a good reason why people like Edge are loners. If you start expounding on flying saucers, Jesus and dowsing, you can get fired, even from Micky D's. But Edge is not a young guy. His career prospects probably aren't that great. I think remember him once saying he had a part time job to "tide him over until dowsing season" or whatever. I think he just jobs himself out, although I wouldn't put it in the realm of impossibility that you've seen him at a freeway exit somewhere.
 
I'm still here and mining with the best 6 inch dredge that i could make. I don't have a lot of time right now ,but I am 9 for ten correct in placement of that dredge in the creek as far as being correct in locating and making a profit.

Move 6 inches over and you'll find nothing.

Right now I'm camping and mining.
All i can tell you is that I'm convinced!
I will never mine with out my wand Ha ha.

I will get back to ya and Tricky your a bigger nut than I.

Oh the geolagy {sp.} i'm seeing.

I will read Randis blurb soon.
I am in town to resupply my self.
Be back soon.
 
Well, the E seems to have e-vaporated. :rolleyes:

Edge, I do not believe your claim "9 for ten" is truthful. No offense.
 
The big question is 'Have you made much money?' If what you claim is true make your $millions then apply for the challenge just to show off.

I expect you have found a lot of gold recently? I am puzzled by you not saying how much gold you have found in your last post.
 
Well hello Edge. Did you see, you're famous. Randi mentioned you here and again here (including your picture). He wonders, just like we do, why you haven't sent in you new application.

I'm still here and mining with the best 6 inch dredge that i could make. I don't have a lot of time right now ,but I am 9 for ten correct in placement of that dredge in the creek as far as being correct in locating and making a profit.
How much profit? Enough to afford to take the challenge again?

Move 6 inches over and you'll find nothing.
Of course, to prove that, you would have to move over 6 inches and show that there was nothing, and you'd have to do this numerous times. Are you doing this?

But putting that aside, Edge, nobody here doubts that you have some skills as a gold finder. That comes with experience. It is your insistance on magic that is the sticking point. You have never been able to show that your magic dowsing rod works even when you know there is significant gold in one of the targets. You really should give yourself more credit for your own ability to evaluate the conditions for finding gold, even though by all accounts, you haven't found enough to escape what appears to be a rather austere lifestyle.

Right now I'm camping and mining.
All i can tell you is that I'm convinced!
LOL. We know you are convinced, Edge. But can you prove your skills to others? That is where you have failed.

I will get back to ya and Tricky your a bigger nut than I.
Oh, I couldn't accept such an honor!

Oh the geolagy {sp.} i'm seeing.
It's geology. Yes, that's a very geologically interesting area of the country. Almost all areas with gold deposits are interesting because gold does not simply appear in cooling magmatic rocks. It has to be concentrated by diagenetic (post-depositional) processes that can be quite complex. It can be further concentrated by differential specific gravity in fluvial (stream) processes, which is why you dredge in stream beds or old stream beds. It takes a trained eye to recognize the conditions where this concentration occurs. I'm a soft-rock geologist myself, so I don't claim to know as much as someone like Correa Neto, who is closely involved with mineral mining.

I will read Randis blurb soon.
I am in town to resupply my self.
Be back soon.
I hope you do read it. He thinks you will never apply again. I hope you prove him wrong, but remember the advice you were given earlier. You cannot dictate the rules of the Challenge. Especially remember Rule 6.
All of the applicant's expenses such as transportation, accommodation, materials, assistants, and/or all other costs for any persons or procedures incurred in pursuit of the reward, are the sole responsibility of the applicant. Neither the JREF nor JR will bear any of the costs.
If you expect a JREF representative to come to you, then you will have to pay his or her expenses. That means you had better have everything in place when they arrive so you don't have to pay lodging expenses for very long. Properly designed, it should only take an afternoon. The hard part will be hammering out the protocol with Jeff Wagg.
 

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