After all the Israeli BS......

[demon]

A brilliantly cogent article:

http://www.islam-online.net/English/News/2006-08/13/05.shtml
Israel to Negotiate Soldiers' Release
OCCUPIED JERUSALEM — After a failed month-long war that cost Israel many soldiers and scores of military vehicles, Ehud Olmert's government is taking the channel Hizbullah described from the very beginning as the only way to secure the release of two soldiers taken prisoner by the Lebanese resistance; negotiations.

...snip...

Under the agreement, Israel released around 400 Palestinians, 23 Lebanese, five Syrians, three Moroccans, three Sudanese, a Libyan national and a German in exchange for the release of Israeli businessman Elhanan Tannenbaum and the bodies of three Israeli soldiers.

Israel also returned the corpses of 59 Lebanese nationals killed in action

 

[HeavyAaron]

Negotiations with terrorists is a dumb idea. What concessions could one possibly offer?

Israel played it right the first time. The concession they offered was NOT attacking them. That the terrorists decided this wasn't good enough is tough noggies.

If I were Israel I'd play the same game a second time. Okay, we've stopped attacking. Now you have 2 hours to release our men or you'll be attacked. It will be a completely different action not connected to the first.

Aaron

 

[RyanRoberts]

Ah, Samir Kantar, what a hero. A true freedom fighter for an oppressed and noble people.

 

[demon]

"or you'll be attacked"

Who exactly? You include the hundreds of innocent women and children and the rest of the civilians in that "you`ll"
It`s ok, I think I already know the answer.

 

[HeavyAaron]

"or you'll be attacked"

Who exactly? You include the hundreds of innocent women and children and the rest of the civilians in that "you`ll"
It`s ok, I think I already know the answer.

Where did I do that? The "you" was clearly referring to those with whom Israel would negotiate with for the release of their men. I believe I used the term "terrorists." That group does not include innocent people.

Intentionally misconstruing my position isn't exactly honest of you, is it? You could have chosen to point out that innocent people would die as a side effect, and do so legitimately, but you chose dishonesty instead. Why is that?

Aaron

 

[demon]

RyanRoberts:
"Ah, Samir Kantar, what a hero. A true freedom fighter for an oppressed and noble people."

Hey, you have outstanding business in another thread telling me as a "Londoner" how come I`ve missed all these "anti Israeli demonstrations".
Go knock yourself out.

 

[HeavyAaron]

I notice you completely avoided the question of what concessions one could give a terrorist. What do you think Israel could or should offer thugs to secure their men?

Aaron

 

[RyanRoberts]

I have a few ideas:

1) You are blind and deaf.
2) You are attempting to use an inconsequential categorisation error hinging on the fact that there has been no rally organised with the title "an anti Israel rally" as its difficult to deny video evidence showing demonstrators using genocidal metaphors at a nominal "ceasefire" demonstration that took place in London last week.
3) You think Samir Kantar is a hero.

 

[demon]

You call Hezbollah "terrorists"...what do they do that Israel don`t do?
Can I ask where you get your info about Hezbollah from?
I have three good friends in Lebanon who I`m in contact with all the time at the moment (touch wood), I will pass your info on to them, I`m sure they would be very interested to hear what you informed opinion of Hezbollah is.
demon.

 

[HeavyAaron]

You call Hezbollah "terrorists"...what do they do that Israel don`t do?
Can I ask where you get your info about Hezbollah from?
I have three good friends in Lebanon who I`m in contact with all the time at the moment (touch wood), I will pass your info on to them, I`m sure they would be very interested to hear what you informed opinion of Hezbollah is.
demon.

It doesn't take a brain surgeon to figure out that they are a terrorist group. They are internationally recognized as one. I'm sure your friends will be enlightened to know this. I'm glad I've been able to catagorize them as such for you. Apparently major world governments declaring them terrorists isn't enough, but little old me will do it for you, huh? Okay.

What criteria of terrorist do they fail to meet for you? What have they NOT yet done to warrent that title?

Aaron

 

[demon]

"I have a few ideas:
1) You are blind and deaf.
2) You are attempting to use an inconsequential categorisation error hinging on the fact that there has been no rally organised with the title "an anti Israel rally" as its difficult to deny video evidence showing demonstrators using genocidal metaphors at a nominal "ceasefire" demonstration."

I asked you to tell me about the anti Israel demonstrations in London that I, presently living a Jewish community have missed.
Is that all you`ve got?
I don`t get to this forum as much as I used to, I certainly won`t be wasting my time here on you anymore.
Jeeze, I wish this place had some sort of "Sceptic exame" before they let any Tom, Dick or Harry in here, or on the other hand, I`m glad they don`t...idiots, fascists and all kinds of dullards soon reveal themselves.
You mates with Art Vanderlay by any chance? Your style remonds me of him.

 

[demon]

HeavyAaron:
"They are internationally recognized as one."

Really?
Do go on to prove your claim...this should be good.

 

[HeavyAaron]

HeavyAaron:
"They are internationally recognized as one."

Really?
Do go on to prove your claim...this should be good.

boy this is easy:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hezbollah#Designation_as_a_.27terrorist.27_organization

Would you rather their militant activities be considered sanctioned by Lebanon?!? Gosh, I hope you don't. Otherwise the government should be toppled for such acts of war.

Aaron

 

[HeavyAaron]

I'll keep harping until you answer. What concessions do you think Israel should/could make to the terrorists to secure the release of their kidnapped men?

My answer will continue to be, we'll think about not killing you. Never give thugs anything they want.

Aaron

 

[zenith-nadir]

A brilliantly cogent article:

quote:

Israel to Negotiate Soldiers' Release
OCCUPIED JERUSALEM — After a failed month-long war....

:quote

"Occupied" Jerusalem...a "failed" month-long war...nice start...

quote:

....that cost Israel many soldiers and scores of military vehicles,

:quote

Ya for some strange reason stuff gets destroyed in war...and people die....by the way, where did hezbollah get all that military assistance anyway?

quote:

Ehud Olmert's government is taking the channel Hizbullah described from the very beginning

:quote

"Described?"...ahhh...is that today's euphemism for killing 8 soldiers and kidnapping two for hostages? I just wanna be hip to the lingo.

quote:

...as the only way to secure the release of two soldiers taken prisoner by the Lebanese resistance; negotiations.

:quote

Ahhhh yes...Viva La Resistance!...But wait, how is crossing into Israel and killing 8 soldiers while taking two hostage resistance? What exactly was Hezbollah resisting at that point?

quote:

...."We will have to enter a process which means negotiations" Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni told a news conference after the cabinet voted to approve a UN resolution on a cessation of hostilities, reported Agence France-Presse (AFP).


:quote

"A process which means negotiations?"....Those bloodthirsty jews! Will their warcrimes never cease?

quote:

Blah...blah...blah....

http://www.islam-online.net/English/News/2006-08/13/05.shtml

:quote

 

[New Ager]

Demon,

You sound like one of those kookburger extreme liberals who think the Holocaust didn't happen.

How blind do you have to be to question if Hezbollah is a terrorist organization?

Hezbollah sends suicide bombers into the civilian population of Israel. They celebrate when their children are killed and call them martyrs. The get their weapons from that bastion of democracy Iran.

It's bad enough the good people of Israel and the United States have to fight the terrorists without dealing with your nonsense.

 

[demon]

HeavyAaron:
"While the Hezbollah is considered by the US, Israel, Canada and Australia to be a terrorist organization"

Thats all you`ve got?
Jeeze, let me get back to talkng to ZN, I thought he was bad!
What a stooopid verification!

"psst, the nazi concentration camps are pretty nice hotels for jews..." Goebbels.,

 

[demon]

Same as you "New ager"..."terrorist prganization"?
According to whom?
Do you even know anyone in Lebanon?
Do you even care what they have to say about Hezbollah?
Do you even know about Israel`s actions on the Lebanese boarder for the last 20 years?
I guess not, just another twat talking large about something he knows **** all about.
I was hoping this place might have got smarter since I left, silly of me eh?

 

[WildCat]

Same as you "New ager"..."terrorist prganization"?
According to whom?
Do you even know anyone in Lebanon?
Do you even care what they have to say about Hezbollah?
Do you even know about Israel`s actions on the Lebanese boarder for the last 20 years?
I guess not, just another twat talking large about something he knows **** all about.
I was hoping this place might have got smarter since I left, silly of me eh?

I'll bet there was many a German in the Nazi years who had lots of good things to say about the Nazi party and Hitler & Co. They did, after all, get the economy humming again. And I'm sure they had stories of how wronged they were losing Alcase to France or Danzig (Gdansk) to Poland after WWI, but you know what? The Nazis were still an evil despicable regime. As is Hezbollah, no matter how much charity from Syria and Iran they distribute.

I'd call you a useful idiot, but you're far worse than that because you know exactly what you're doing. And that is supporting the terrorist group known as Hezbollah.

 

[geni]

How blind do you have to be to question if Hezbollah is a terrorist organization?

It is a legit question. Hezbollah appeared as a classic resitance group. They have the who islamic revolution idiology. To a fairly large degree they run southen lebanon. Historicaly they have tended to hit militry targets. Are they a terroist group? Well that term is of course of little use these days but probably. Is that all they are? No. Oversimplifying is a mistake. An emotionaly saitifying one but still a mistake.

Hezbollah sends suicide bombers into the civilian population of Israel.

When? Certianly not a common tactic. Generaly attacking the odd IDF outpost and killing the poor suckers in the SLA was more their style.

They celebrate when their children are killed and call them martyrs.

No so much celebrate. Shia islam has the whole martyrdom thing built in somewhat. The same is true for christianty to a degree but for various reasons this has tended to be downplayed over the centuries.

The get their weapons from that bastion of democracy Iran.

They want weapons there are not many places that can buy them from. It means nothing.