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Kevin_Lowe said:
While I'm not disagreeing with you, it's not unknown for confirmation emails to get munched by overzealous spam filters. That could have happened in this case.

They should search their spambox for emails with "JREF" in the title.

ETA: Heh, the Loosers just suspended my account. As you say, they can't take the heat.
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not surprising, i was banned also.
 
BTW I have sent an e-mail and left a voice mail at the Department of Homeland Security, asking for clairification of the Chertoff's relationship. Just to get the other side's story. It doesn't hurt to double check a story. However, I don't expect an immediate response.
Anyone wishing to independently verify my corespondence with Ben Chertoff:
MAIL:
POPULAR MECHANICS
810 Seventh Avenue, 6th Floor
New York, NY 10019

FAX:
212-586-5562

E-MAIL:
popularmechanics@hearst.com
 
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CptColumbo said:
BTW I have sent an e-mail and left a voice mail at the Department of Homeland Security, asking for clairification of the Chertoff's relationship. Just to get the other side's story. It doesn't hurt to double check a story. However, I don't expect an immediate response.
Anyone wishing to check with Ben Chertoff:
MAIL:
POPULAR MECHANICS
810 Seventh Avenue, 6th Floor
New York, NY 10019

FAX:
212-586-5562

E-MAIL:
popularmechanics@hearst.com
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There you go, bringing facts into it. AGAIN.
 
dubfan said:
There you go, bringing facts into it. AGAIN.
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Since my education is in the field of Theatre (not engineering or metalurgy), the only way I can help here is using what journalism skills I learned in elective courses and double-check the easy facts.

And make wise-cracks.

BTW welcome dubfan.
 
WildCat said:
You must have been making some good points!
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Thanks. Nothing that others haven't said before, of course, but that's because the local kooks don't have anything new to say either.

I was "Foilal Peaucha", a cunning anagram of Alfoil Chapeau. I got in 33 posts before they banned me, so that's 33 blows struck for common sense.

Possibly the post that got me banned was linking to Gravy's debunking of LC2, in a thread about a guy wanting to make copies of LC2 to distribute around his school. Naughty me... :rolleyes:

They're a funny lot over there. If you show up saying "I think a UFO from Area 51 took out the towers with holographic plane-missiles that triggered a suitcase nuke built into the basement when the WTC was constructed", they say "Hail and well met fellow truth-seeker!". If you show up saying "That glowing stuff might not actually be molten steel", they say "Aargh! Government shill! Moron! Where do you pull this stuff from, your backside! Why has this traitor not been banned?".
 
Kevin_Lowe said:
They're a funny lot over there. If you show up saying "I think a UFO from Area 51 took out the towers with holographic plane-missiles that triggered a suitcase nuke built into the basement when the WTC was constructed", they say "Hail and well met fellow truth-seeker!". If you show up saying "That glowing stuff might not actually be molten steel", they say "Aargh! Government shill! Moron! Where do you pull this stuff from, your backside! Why has this traitor not been banned?".
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HMMM...that gives me an idea.
 
Kevin_Lowe said:
Thanks. Nothing that others haven't said before, of course, but that's because the local kooks don't have anything new to say either.
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Maybe they were intimidated by your name. It's not everyday you get the visit of a hockey legend in your forum...;) :D
 
dubfan said:
Good question. First instinct was to check the Handbook of Chemistry and Physics. No luck. Google searches for "jp4 physical properties", and "how hot is a jet fuel fire" don't turn up much that's helpful, or authoritative.

I've seen that 9752°F figure before, though. Just can't remember where.
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Check the ASTM ( www.astm.org )they should have some numbers for the heat of combustion. Also jp4 is military jet fuel (I think, I've never dealt with this one) commercial jets use Jet A or Jet A-1. I'll look up the specifications when I get to work (I work in a lab that tests Jet A-1).

Ramooone, if you want a little Jet A-1 for a demo burn I can get some but getting it across the border into the US probably won't happen. If you come up to Toronto I can set it up with no problem though.
 
Hers a fun picture for you all to look at...

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This photo was taken at the 9/11 memorial service at the Washington National Cathedral. Printed in the European version of Time magazine on 24 September 2001. Page 56.

The sinister look of barbara is freaking priceless...

GRAVY YOU STILL OWE ME OSAMA TAPE
 
WildCat said:
Apparently, there is a rift developing in the lunatic conspiracy theory community. In this thread Dylan Avery says "I blew up on the North Cali alliance and I shouldn't have, I should have merely laughed at their arrogance and walked away, but I don't like people trashing me in my own element."

I wonder what the issue was? :confused:
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Avery obviously seems to have problems controlling his temper whenever his ludicrous claims are doubted in the slightest. He's a spoiled brat who got way too much attention and now has his own cult.
 
Very conclusive geggy!

Look up the difference between "priceless" and "worthless."

You probably vote by the looks of the candidate. That's why people like kings - they "look" like a king.

Speaking of looking and seeing, how many people saw a Missile hit the Pentagon?

And my all time favorite from LC - "there were no windows on the planes that hit the WTC" except that you can't see windows with the United paint scheme, even at slow landing speeds.
 
geggy said:
GRAVY YOU STILL OWE ME OSAMA TAPE
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geggy, can you read?

It's nice that you're amused by memorial services for 9/11 victims. You seem like a swell guy.
 
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Huh? Who said anything about me being amused by the memorial service? I said I found the sinister look on Barbara's face to be priceless is all. Jeez. Again with the smearing.

I did do my homework. I looked around in the internet and even asked activists for if an osama video without the subtitles ever exist. There's no such thing as so far what I've seen and heard.

Are you lying to us?
 
Is it just me or does Bush Seniors arm look strange (short, bent at a strange angle etc)?
 
Yeah i admit I made mistakes
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:jaw-dropp

There's hope!

when I thought nookular was planted in the basement of the building. But there were several witnesses
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So... were you wrong or not ?

Some points made in the FEMA report and NIST are very deceptive and misleading, they had omitted so many facts.
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You mean, the fact that some facts were omitted is necessarily indication of deception ?

News coverage after 1:30 p.m. showed light-colored smoke flowing out of openings on the upper floors of the south side of the building. Another photograph (Figure 5-18) of the skyline at 3:25 p.m., taken from the southwest, shows a large volume of dark smoke coming from all but the lowest levels of WTC 7, where white smoke is emanating."
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Your point ?

WildCat said:
Dylan Avery says "I blew up on the North Cali alliance and I shouldn't have, I should have merely laughed at their arrogance and walked away, but I don't like people trashing me in my own element."
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He BLEW UP !! Wow. CTers must think he exploded!
 
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