Loose Change

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brodski said:
seeing as Avery and Co. have given renounced claim to copyright of LC2E, it shouldn't be too difficult to produce a new soundtrack to the film, perhaps giving it the full MST3K treatment? Less work than making a whole new film, and many of Gravy's comments fit the style (eg "wake me when they mention something relevant to 9/11") :D
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we could do it that way, but i'd rather go an do an actual documentary. with interviews such as chertoff at popular mechanics, louseux(sp?) the demolitions guy who's misquoted, family members of the flights if posssible, actual structural engineers. i'd do it right. i have the camera's and editing equipment i'd need so thats not a problem. i have connections to lots of people who could do a good voice over, and i have a TON of radio connections because my roommate is the producer of one of the largest talk shows thats on both fm and xm radio. if anyone has any idea's for this email me at Bryan@organgrindermedia.com
 
Pardalis said:
Let's call Chuck Norris to do the voice-over!:cool:
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Random thought: I would be willing to bet my mortgage that we could get Bruce Willis to contribute his voice-over, if he was approached respectfully and seriously. Especially if he (or his agent) was approached by an advocate for the project with ties to the armed forces, and we (collectively) had our isht together.
 
I looked through Dr Adequate's link to controlled demolitions. The two examples of things destroyed by hitting the top were long structures (including the baseball stadium) where the goal is to get the top to drag down the next section.

All of the tall, narrow structures are destroyed by blowing out the bottom, EXCEPT for the Southward Towers, where the entire length of the structure lets out at once.

Not a single one look anything like the falling of the WTC, where the bottoms are intact until they are taken out by the material above them.

The more I look, the bigger the folly becomes. The falling of the WTC doesn't look _anything_ like a controlled demolition in any way.
 
Ramooone said:
we could do it that way, but i'd rather go an do an actual documentary. with interviews such as chertoff at popular mechanics, louseux(sp?) the demolitions guy who's misquoted, family members of the flights if posssible, actual structural engineers. i'd do it right. i have the camera's and editing equipment i'd need so thats not a problem. i have connections to lots of people who could do a good voice over, and i have a TON of radio connections because my roommate is the producer of one of the largest talk shows thats on both fm and xm radio. if anyone has any idea's for this email me at Bryan@organgrindermedia.com
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Cool, I didn't realize that you had so many good resources at your disposal.
 
dubfan said:
Random thought: I would be willing to bet my mortgage that we could get Bruce Willis to contribute his voice-over, if he was approached respectfully and seriously. Especially if he (or his agent) was approached by an advocate for the project with ties to the armed forces, and we (collectively) had our isht together.
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If someone can get FACTS straight, Chuck Norris is the guy...
 
Ramooone said:
we could do it that way, but i'd rather go an do an actual documentary. with interviews such as chertoff at popular mechanics, louseux(sp?) the demolitions guy who's misquoted, family members of the flights if posssible, actual structural engineers. i'd do it right. i have the camera's and editing equipment i'd need so thats not a problem. i have connections to lots of people who could do a good voice over, and i have a TON of radio connections because my roommate is the producer of one of the largest talk shows thats on both fm and xm radio. if anyone has any idea's for this email me at Bryan@organgrindermedia.com
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Yes, I think that's the right approach. It needs to be as serious as a heart attack.
 
Pardalis said:
If someone can get FACTS straight, Chuck Norris is the guy...
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Hey, if you think he'd be game... I only mention Bruce because he's been pretty charitable with his time and talents on the USO circuit. Not that Chuck hasn't, I just think Bruce has had a little higher profile on it.

However -- I'm pretty sure Bruce is politically conservative (or at least is in favor of the Iraq war), so that may be off-putting to folks here, or may hurt the credibility of the debunking effort. I don't know.
 
Guys, all you have to do is take Loose Change and narrate over it. It is mostly news footage, and paid for as stock footage.

Pay the same sources, and put your own narration over his tripe "the sign of hiiiiighhhh expooooosives!

When he hits the "misssssilllleee in the pentagon" bilge water, just keep repeating, But nobody saw a missile.

Is so simple, it costs no more than time and stock footage. It should put a crimp in 'ol Dylan's career.
 
dubfan said:
Hey, if you think he'd be game... I only mention Bruce because he's been pretty charitable with his time and talents on the USO circuit. Not that Chuck hasn't, I just think Bruce has had a little higher profile on it.

However -- I'm pretty sure Bruce is politically conservative (or at least is in favor of the Iraq war), so that may be off-putting to folks here, or may hurt the credibility of the debunking effort. I don't know.
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I was only kidding :D

http://www.chucknorrisfacts.com/
 
Ramooone said:
we could do it that way, but i'd rather go an do an actual documentary. with interviews such as chertoff at popular mechanics, louseux(sp?) the demolitions guy who's misquoted, family members of the flights if posssible, actual structural engineers. i'd do it right. i have the camera's and editing equipment i'd need so thats not a problem. i have connections to lots of people who could do a good voice over, and i have a TON of radio connections because my roommate is the producer of one of the largest talk shows thats on both fm and xm radio. if anyone has any idea's for this email me at Bryan@organgrindermedia.com
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Right on Ramoooooone!!

This forum kicks ass!
 
Thinking about this some...

There is probably some benefit in taking the best of both worlds here -- and maybe approaching the project in 2 parts. A "first edition" (ha) that could be produced relatively quickly, that simply refutes the errors/illogic/omissions in LC. Think Gravy's commentary overlaid on the LC video, minus the sarcasm.

And then a "second edition" along the lines of what Ramoone is proposing -- something that's more in depth and actually has some on-screen time with real experts and gets into some depth on scrutinizing the 5 or 6 major fallacies that LC proposes.

I only say this because if you go for the 2nd edition approach only -- that could take an awfully long time. Setting up interviews, etc. can really be a time-sink.
 
dubfan said:
. A "first edition" (ha) that could be produced relatively quickly, that simply refutes the errors/illogic/omissions in LC. Think Gravy's commentary overlaid on the LC video, minus the sarcasm.

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Nothing to it - just put the science over LC's tripe - anyone can narrate it - even Randi - They provide the pictures, you provide the explanation, back up with facts. They are selling smoke at LC.
 
60hzxtl said:
Nothing to it - just put the science over LC's tripe - anyone can narrate it - even Randi - They provide the pictures, you provide the explanation, back up with facts. They are selling smoke at LC.
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Randi's recovering from heart surgery now, don't think he is available.
 
Heh this should be good. By the way GRAVY, YOU STILL OWE ME OSAMA TAPE...

JPK said:
Good afternoon geggy.
So which one, or combination of these various CTs are you now in favor of believing?
1. Suitcase Nuke planted to demolish the building because the high cost of asbestos removal?
2. Explosive charges built into the WTC from the begining to be detonated at some future time?
3. People secretly smuggling enough explosives into the WTC without being noticed?
Keeping in mind that any of these needed to be timed perfectly with someone elses attempt at taking down to WTC with planes.
And somehow these CTs seem more plausible to you then the official report? You do realize that the official report will have some gaps and some missing info simply because the people writing the report might not have been the ones who organized the attacks in the first place?
JPK
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Heyya

Yeah i admit I made mistakes when I thought nookular was planted in the basement of the building. But there were several witnesses such as janitor of WTC WIlliam Rodriquez who were on the first floor to help lead the people their way out of the door and then felt an explosion. He told the sept white house that he was willing to testify in front of the commisson, that he heard an explosion coming from the basement. But he was rejected just as many other witnesses who volunteered to testify to the commission.

Some points made in the FEMA report and NIST are very deceptive and misleading, they had omitted so many facts. I'm going to point out one of them here...this is from the FEMA on the WTC7 report...

"The presence of fire and smoke on lower floors is also confirmed by the early television news coverage of WTC 7, which indicated light-colored smoke rising from the lower floors of WTC 7.

Video footage indicated that the majority of the smoke appeared to be coming from the south side of the building at that time as opposed to the other sides of the building. This is corroborated by Figure 5-17, a photograph taken at 3:36 p.m that shows the south face of WTC 7 covered with a thick cloud of smoke, and only small amounts of smoke emanating from the 27th and 28th floors of the west face of WTC 7.

News coverage after 1:30 p.m. showed light-colored smoke flowing out of openings on the upper floors of the south side of the building. Another photograph (Figure 5-18) of the skyline at 3:25 p.m., taken from the southwest, shows a large volume of dark smoke coming from all but the lowest levels of WTC 7, where white smoke is emanating."

Here is the image...
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COMPARE that it showed you were looking at a different angle in the FEMA report, very deceptive indeedy...
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FEMA WTC report (click on chapter 5)... http://www.fema.gov/library/wtcstudy.shtm

WTC7.net analysis...
http://www.wtc7.net/articles/FEMA/WTC_ch5.htm
 
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