The Gospel

delphi_ote said:
Every one of these has given me a laugh, Dr. A. If I could nominate a collection of posts together, I would've done it for these long ago.

Someone should collect all of them, remove the names, and then conduct a survey to see if people can tell which quote is from an actual fundamentalist. Who is real? Kathy or Karimah?
Click to expand...
Well I don't find it very ammusing! And people wonder why I don't respond? Gee I wonder, it's like talking to a wall.
Honestly I don't know why I even try to talk with you when all I get is disrespected for it.
Anyways Dr. A seems to kind of familiar with the Islam religion so I have been studying up a bit on the differences. Here an interesting article....
http://www.equip.org/free/DI209.htm
The weird thing is there are similarities with some people here on these two issues alone mentioned in CRI's article byJerry L. Buckner
The Bible. Although they do make use of it when it does not contradict their own teachings, the Nation of Islam believes the Bible has been tampered with by the white man. "The Bible is now being called the Poison Book by God Himself, and who can deny that it is not poison?...the Book can’t be recognized as the pure and Holy Word of God."10 and

Heaven and Hell. Members of the Nation of Islam do not believe in the hereafter, whether it be heaven or hell. "I have no alternative than to tell you that there is not any life beyond the grave. There is no justice in the sweet bye and bye. Immortality is NOW, HERE."12 To the Nation of Islam, heaven and hell are regarded as special conditions here on earth now, not as special places to go after death. "The Christians say, ‘Confess the Lord Jesus Christ or you (who are other than the Christians) will burn in hell forever.’ That hell must not be so hot that one can burn in it forever and never burn up."13

The Nation of Islam teaches other anti-Christian doctrines besides those that have been cited above. But the examples we have considered are certainly among the most significant and should be sufficient to acquaint you with their theology.

Doesn't seem to much different from the way some of you professing atheists view it if you sak me!
 
Last edited:
kurious_kathy said:
There is one statement I always like to remember that I think all humans can benefit from."It is wise for a person to remember while you are pointing your finger at somebody else for their faults, you have got three more fingers pointing right back at yourself." Something to think about guys.
Click to expand...



I want you to think real hard at why I am laughing at you posting the above statement.

Go on. Think REAL hard. You may get it.
 
kurious_kathy said:
Well I don't find it very ammusing! And people wonder why I don't respond? Gee I wonder, it's like talking to a wall.
Honestly I don't know why I even try to talk with you when all I get is disrespected for it.
Anyways Dr. A seems to kind of familiar with the Islam religion so I have been studying up a bit on the differences. Here an interesting article....
http://www.equip.org/free/DI209.htm
The weird thing is there are similarities with some people here on these two issues alone mentioned in CRI's article byJerry L. Buckner
The Bible. Although they do make use of it when it does not contradict their own teachings, the Nation of Islam believes the Bible has been tampered with by the white man. "The Bible is now being called the Poison Book by God Himself, and who can deny that it is not poison?...the Book can’t be recognized as the pure and Holy Word of God."10
Click to expand...



You completely missed the point of Dr. A's posts, or you saw his point and ignored it. Either way your post says absolutely nothing about the fact that if you substitute "Allah" for "Jesus" in your preaching you sound exactly like a muslim extremist.

But you never bothered to think about that, did you?
 
fowlsound said:
You completely missed the point of Dr. A's posts, or you saw his point and ignored it. Either way your post says absolutely nothing about the fact that if you substitute "Allah" for "Jesus" in your preaching you sound exactly like a muslim extremist.

But you never bothered to think about that, did you?
Click to expand...
Except for two big huge differences. Allah and Jesus are not the same God.

I am reading this book that is very well defined in the differences and I found this explanation to be very direct and good.
A Moslem who is a true seeker after God must choose between the unknowable God of the Koran and the God of the Bible. The God of the Bible revealed himself through Jesus Christ as the God of redemption, giving the gift of eternal life to those who accept who he is and what he has done for us. In contrast, no statements can be made positively or factually concerning Allah since he is spoken of as "Unknowable." this was taken from FS Coplestones book Jesus Christ VS Mohammaed.
 
Last edited:
kurious_kathy said:
There is one statement I always like to remember that I think all humans can benefit from."It is wise for a person to remember while you are pointing your finger at somebody else for their faults, you have got three more fingers pointing right back at yourself." Something to think about guys.
Click to expand...
Well, while I have one finger pointing up, there are three pointing down. What does your wise man say about that?
 
kurious_kathy said:
Where's the proof?
All I see is someone throwing accusations around about that without any evidence that it really happened. Anyways, I am not willing to play that game.
Click to expand...

*grin* I will happily provide material proof of this claim just as soon as you provide material proof of God. Of course, by your own standard, merely throwing words around, without any evidence, won't cut it.

Sauce for the goose...
 
kurious_kathy said:
Except for two big huge differences. Allah and Jesus are not the same God.
Click to expand...



Non-sequiter. Whether they are the same god or not does not negate your appearance as a frothing at the mouth radical willing to kill for your faith.

You sound like a fundamentalist extremist muslim willing to be a terrorist, just by changing one word in your posts.

Now ponder that.
 
kurious_kathy said:
I myself will be forever greatful for this gift of grace. Jesus died to redeem us from our crummy sinful world! If you want to get mad at someone, why don't you look at Adam or Satan first? At least this is what I reflect on. We live in a fallen world.
Click to expand...

Okay, I'm offended that the Gospel accuses God of pre-meditated murder. Now, you're saying I'm mad at someone. For the record, I'm not mad at God, because I don't believe God wrote the Bible. I hope you can compute that.

I'm not mad at anybody, but you seem to think I should be mad at someone. Okay, who should I be mad at. Adam? I don't believe in the Bible.

Anyway. I forgive Adam for his mistake. I'm not mad at Adam. Humans make mistakes. I mean, God created Adam and Adam made a mistake. We aren't perfect.

Only God in human form is perfect, right? Why should I or anyone else expect Adam to be perfect?

I should get mad at Satan? Because Satan tricked Eve who tricked Adam? I thought it was a serpent. Okay, same thing. Satan is bad for tricking Adam and Eve. Satan was obviously very aware of what he was doing, so yes, I am mad at Satan.

KK, I am mad at Satan. Satan thinks he can be God. What an idiot. Satan is the reason why human lives suck. We should do what we can to make people's lives better. Let's stick it to Satan and spread rational thought and respect for human dignity and equality, a desire for peace, and world wide justice.
 
kurious_kathy said:
The Nation of Islam teaches other anti-Christian doctrines besides those that have been cited above. But the examples we have considered are certainly among the most significant and should be sufficient to acquaint you with their theology.

Doesn't seem to much different from the way some of you professing atheists view it if you sak me!
Click to expand...

Nation of Islam or Islam?

Elijah Muhammed or Muhammed?

Chicago or Mecca?

Wallace Fard Muhammed or Allah?

You realize there's a difference? Not that it matters much in the context of this discussion.
 
kurious_kathy said:
Well I don't find it very ammusing! And people wonder why I don't respond? Gee I wonder, it's like talking to a wall.
Honestly I don't know why I even try to talk with you when all I get is disrespected for it.
Click to expand...
You are disrespected because so far you have said very little worthy of respect.
kurious_kathy said:
Anyways Dr. A seems to kind of familiar with the Islam religion so I have been studying up a bit on the differences.
Click to expand...
You don't know anything about Islam?* Then how do you know they are wrong and Christianity is right? Maybe Allah is the one true God after all. How did you make this decision?
kurious_kathy said:
The weird thing is there are similarities with some people here on these two issues alone mentioned in CRI's article byJerry L. Buckner
Click to expand...
Your only source to learn about the Muslim faith is a Christian website about the Nation of Islam? You are very, very confused. No wonder the rest of your post is such insulting gibberish. I'll do you a favor and pretend you didn't write any of it. Start here if you actually want to learn something.

*Even after all that has happened over the past five years in this country?! I dearly hope you don't vote.
 
SuperCoolGuy said:
KK, I am mad at Satan. Satan thinks he can be God. What an idiot. Satan is the reason why human lives suck. We should do what we can to make people's lives better. Let's stick it to Satan and spread rational thought and respect for human dignity and equality, a desire for peace, and world wide justice.
Click to expand...
Actually if you think about the man on the cross, right then and there the victory over Satan was won. All we must do is believe it! We are not under Law anymore, but grace.
I'm not saying the Law isn't important to acknowledge. If you ask me it just reveals our unrighteousness so we can see our need for his righteousness.
All have fallen short of the glory of God.

Don't look at me, I''l just let you down. Look at Him!
 
kurious_kathy said:
Except for two big huge differences. Allah and Jesus are not the same God.

I am reading this book that is very well defined in the differences and I found this explanation to be very direct and good.
A Moslem who is a true seeker after God must choose between the unknowable God of the Koran and the God of the Bible. The God of the Bible revealed himself through Jesus Christ as the God of redemption, giving the gift of eternal life to those who accept who he is and what he has done for us. In contrast, no statements can be made positively or factually concerning Allah since he is spoken of as "Unknowable." this was taken from FS Coplestones book Jesus Christ VS Mohammaed.
Click to expand...


"Unknowable". Being around Muslims, I can tell you Muslims can make statements regarding their God:

Muslims have a book, the Qu'ran, that they believe was written directly by God. No human authors?!? God wrote it himself?!?! The Qu'ran mentions many things their God wants humanity to do. It says that their God judges all humans according to their deeds on Earth and rewards them accordingly. It gives Muslims vivid descriptions of angels, hell, heaven, and rules to live by. The Muslims God has no physical description because they consider Him beyond description. His desires, however, are quite clear to Muslims.

KK, if you could "know" the Father, would you need the Son? If the Father was "knowable" in all ways, is he really omnipotent, all-powerful, etc?
 
kurious_kathy said:
Members of the Nation of Islam
Click to expand...

Oh, dear god.

Kathy, the Nation of Islam and Islam are TWO DIFFERENT RELIGIONS!

They're not the same thing! They have a similiar name, but it's like saying that cornmeal and mealworms are the same thing, because they both have "meal" in the title. They're like Christian Scientists and Scientologists. Similiar name. NOT THE SAME RELIGION.

For the love of bunnies, don't embarass yourself further--go read about the difference, even if it's just at Wikipedia.


*cough* Beat me to it, fowlsound...*grin*

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nation_of_Islam
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam
 
kurious_kathy said:
Actually if you think about the man on the cross, right then and there the victory over Satan was won. All we must do is believe it! We are not under Law anymore, but grace.
I'm not saying the Law isn't important to acknowledge. If you ask me it just reveals our unrighteousness so we can see our need for his righteousness.
Click to expand...

So are you saying we don't need to live moral lives to stick it to Satan, because Jesus already beat Satan by being God and living sinless?

kurious_kathy said:
All have fallen short of the glory of God.
Click to expand...

Do you realize that expecting anything to reach the glory of God is exactly what got Satan cast out of heaven and exactly what got Adam and Eve kicked out of Eden.

Ofcouse nothing reaches the glory of God . . . HE'S GOD!
 
UrsulaV said:
Oh, dear god.

Kathy, the Nation of Islam and Islam are TWO DIFFERENT RELIGIONS!

They're not the same thing! They have a similiar name, but it's like saying that cornmeal and mealworms are the same thing, because they both have "meal" in the title. They're like Christian Scientists and Scientologists. Similiar name. NOT THE SAME RELIGION.

For the love of bunnies, don't embarass yourself further--go read about the difference, even if it's just at Wikipedia.


*cough* Beat me to it, fowlsound...*grin*

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nation_of_Islam
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam
Click to expand...
Well it would appear there as many twistest beleifs in the followers of Mohammed as there are false teachings everywhere else. The question that comes to my mind is why so many believed Mohammed's claim to be Christ's Successor?This really concerns me.
 
SuperCoolGuy said:
So are you saying we don't need to live moral lives to stick it to Satan, because Jesus already beat Satan by being God and living sinless?



Do you realize that expecting anything to reach the glory of God is exactly what got Satan cast out of heaven and exactly what got Adam and Eve kicked out of Eden.

Ofcouse nothing reaches the glory of God . . . HE'S GOD!
Click to expand...

No SCG I'm not saying to invalidate morals. But being a good person won't get us into heaven.
Actually I look at Satan having way too much pride for his own good, let that be a lesson to all of us. And as far as Adam and Eve, they were just tempted enough to make the wrong choice which was going against the one thing God asked them not to do! Hope we can learn from that one too. Morally speaking of course!
Here's another article that you may be interested in...http://www.equip.org/free/DM822-1.htm
 
Last edited:
kurious_kathy said:
I am reading this book that is very well defined in the differences and I found this explanation to be very direct and good.
A Moslem who is a true seeker after God must choose between the unknowable God of the Koran and the God of the Bible. The God of the Bible revealed himself through Jesus Christ as the God of redemption, giving the gift of eternal life to those who accept who he is and what he has done for us. In contrast, no statements can be made positively or factually concerning Allah since he is spoken of as "Unknowable." this was taken from FS Coplestones book Jesus Christ VS Mohammaed.
Click to expand...

Let me simplify:

Christianity <-> Islam
Father <-> Allah
Jesus (Son of God) <-> Jesus (Prophet of God)
Mohammed (False Prophet) <-> Mohammed (Last Prophet of God)
John Smith (False Prophet) <-> John Smith (False Prophet)
God's revelation is Bible <-> Allah's revelation is Qu'ran
Who wrote? Man with Holy Spirit <-> Who wrote? Men listening to Mohammed utter words attributed to Angel Gabriel carried from Allah

Human example for followers (Jesus) <-> Human example for followers(Mohammed)

Get in to Heaven-Belief in Jesus's death/resurrection <-> Get in to Heaven-Do enough good deeds
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Back
Top Bottom