Is there anything skeptics can't reduce

[Complexity]

Huntster - You need to learn to read with care, you putz.

Neither Belz nor I have a god, nor feel any need for one.

Neither of us (if I may be so bold, Belz), believes in Santa Claus, the Tooth Fairy, or the Easter Bunny.

I love the consequences of not being religious. Life is good again.

Huntster - When you die, you will rot in the ground, and the stuff that you makes you up will eventually be put to better use. Your mind, such as it is, will cease to exist at or before the moment of your death. Neither your non-existent soul nor your real but misused consciousness (sorry, Ian) will persist.

So say I, a scientist-man.

 

[Belz...]

Than do so and live with the consequences.

Circular thinking. Great.

The immoral, evil god portrayed in your avatar?

Why do you believe in him?

Oh, no, you're not sleazing your way out of this one. Why do you believe in the evil god of the bibble, considering all the murders and atrocities he commits ?

 

[Belz...]

Belz is saying that we can't rely on our perception, and I'm saying that when you get right down to it, this is all we have.

True, but it does not make them any more reliable.

 

[Belz...]

I'm learning by living. There are lessons in everything.

Even in exchanging barbs with a fool like yourself.

You're going to hell, do you know that ? "Love thy neighbor" certainly doesn't seem to apply to you.

Been there, done that. That's why I noted that you wouldn't accept it. You just want to ride the merry-go-round again.

And, there you have it, folks. As usual, the slippery theist, knowing he is without evidence, invokes the good old "you won't believe it" defense. That way he doesn't HAVE to provide evidence. He can just claim to have it.

Some battles arent' worth fighting, especially when the enemy is killing himself.

Patience is a virtue.

You know, for someone who's not Iacchus, you engage in a good deal of circular reasoning, yourself.

More like a little red elf living and whispering in your left ear. He's got a forked tail, horns, and............

Hey! He might look just like your avatar!

No, I'm sure he doesn't. In fact, I'm pretty sure he doesn't exist and you're just helping yourself to sleep every night by believing that he does.

Nope.

Completely.

Yeah. I thought so. Blindly.

I have repudiated Belz' and your god.

Technically, my God is the christian God. I've rejected him for lack of proof and misdemeanor on his part. And since you claim to have repudiated him...

I'm not miserable at all. I'm quite happy!

Of course! Nothing makes people happier than to believe in bright-colour fantasies like the bibble-myth.

And I'd like to be nasty right here amongst enemies, where my nastiness has the proper effect.

Enemies ? So we're at war, here ? Why don't you visit Troy's Craaazy web site and leave us be, then ?

 

[Belz...]

Neither of us (if I may be so bold, Belz), believes in Santa Claus, the Tooth Fairy, or the Easter Bunny.

WHAT !!!???

 

[Complexity]

Sorry, Belz... I thought you knew.

 

[ImaginalDisc]

Guys, guys. There is a Tooth Fairy. It needs our help.

http://www.radiation.org/projects/tooth_fairy.html

 

[Taffer]

Yes, we all could very well be living in The Matrix.

So?

 

[Taffer]

Than do so and live with the consequences.

You sound awfully preachy, you know that?

 

[Taffer]

There's very little about our existence that does not require us to know something.

Prove we know anything.

Belz is saying that we can't rely on our perception, and I'm saying that when you get right down to it, this is all we have. And, while science may be able to determine a sense of consistency about it (if we were living in The Matrix), we are still subject to its dictates and, more importantly, who programmed it.

Circular. You assume there is a programmer, then argue that because we can know things, there must be a programmer.

 

[Taffer]

The immoral, evil god portrayed in your avatar?

Why do you believe in him?

You are an idiot if you think Belz... worships what is portrayed in his avatar. Perhaps I worship key-holes?

 

[Taffer]

Whatever consequences that come.

Do you deny that all we do or not do have consequences?

Show me that there are any negative consequences for not believing in a god.

None that you will accept.

You have never shown me this evidence, therefore you cannot assume I will not accept it. Please provide it.

 

[Nyarlathotep]

The immoral, evil god portrayed in your avatar?

Why do you believe in him?

That is the silliest statement I have read in a long time.

 

[Nyarlathotep]

You are an idiot if you think Belz... worships what is portrayed in his avatar. Perhaps I worship key-holes?

If your avatar (and in my case, screen name) are indicative of what you worship, I am in serious trouble.

 

[Taffer]

I have not repudiated God.

I have repudiated Belz' and your god.

What, Guinness? I know that it's my god.

Do you have any evidence regarding my future, scientist-man?

Do you have any evidence regarding my future, religious-man?

I'm not miserable at all. I'm quite happy!

I'm glad.

And I'd like to be nasty right here amongst enemies, where my nastiness has the proper effect.

Since when have we been at war? Athiests and Skeptics (at least, myself) do not make war on religion. We simply ask for the same thing we ask from all things. Evidence.

 

[Taffer]

If your avatar (and in my case, screen name) are indicative of what you worship, I am in serious trouble.

Don't worry, my One True God the Great Keyhole protects all that look through him. Ask for His blessings, and you may be provided with glimpses of girls without much clothing.

 

[Taffer]

No, thanks.

I have no desire to play word games with boys.

Again, you have never shown evidence to me, so you have no reason to assume I will reject it off-hand. Please provide your evidence, and I shall consider it with the same open mind I consider all evidence. Of that I promise.

 

[Taffer]

You are equating a flat earth with the non-existence of God, which are obviously not one and the same.

And I'm stressing that it seems to be inherent within our nature to know things.

Yes, we do for a fact not know we are living in The Matrix. How would we know, if what we perceive does not tell us otherwise?

Perhaps, Iacchus, we don't actually know anything?

 

[Huntster]

....Neither of us (if I may be so bold, Belz), believes in Santa Claus, the Tooth Fairy, or the Easter Bunny.....

Neither do I.

...Huntster - When you die, you will rot in the ground, and the stuff that you makes you up will eventually be put to better use. Your mind, such as it is, will cease to exist at or before the moment of your death.....

I pretty much agree:

When I die, my body will rot in the ground, and my thinking process will cease to exist.

...Neither your non-existent soul nor your real but misused consciousness will persist.

So say I, a scientist-man

Prove that assertion, scientist-man.

 

[Huntster]

You're going to hell, do you know that ?

No, I suspect it, but I don't know it.

...."Love thy neighbor" certainly doesn't seem to apply to you....

Yes, it does.

I just don't love my enemies.

Been there, done that. That's why I noted that you wouldn't accept it. You just want to ride the merry-go-round again.

And, there you have it, folks. As usual, the slippery theist, knowing he is without evidence, invokes the good old "you won't believe it" defense. That way he doesn't HAVE to provide evidence. He can just claim to have it.

Yup. Got enough for me, but not enough for you.

And I'd like to be nasty right here amongst enemies, where my nastiness has the proper effect.

Enemies ? So we're at war, here ? Why don't you visit Troy's Craaazy web site and leave us be, then ?

War? Not me. Just nastiness (as you describe it).

I have no idea who Troy is, and don't really care.