Merged Does 'rape culture' accurately describe (many) societies?

[Joe Random]

<...> Your refusal to respond to what you have been asked is noted.

I'll admit to being inordinately amused at seeing you think you're in any position to compel anyone to engage with you in the specific way you futilely demand, and seeing you pretend that there are any consequences what so ever for their failure to do so.

 

[catsmate]

I'll admit to being inordinately amused at seeing you think you're in any position to compel anyone to engage with you in the specific way you futilely demand, and seeing you pretend that there are any consequences what so ever for their failure to do so.

It's a common tactic of woo-peddlers to demand that people respond in a way they approve of.

 

[Poem]

It is very easy to stop a child from seeing internet porn.

No it is not, not when they have an absolute right to access all that is good on the internet. You don't kick them off because the adults have failed to regulate it.

That more parents don't pay attention to what their kids are up to is to say the least disappointing.

It is.

Plus of course your solution of banning internet porn won't stop internet porn.

As banning slavery hasn't stopped it. How many times does this need to be said?

Right, now are you going to shut down that hypothetical porn vendor or not? You won't answer 'cos you can't.

 

[Poem]

I'll admit to being inordinately amused at seeing you think you're in any position to compel anyone to engage with you in the specific way you futilely demand, and seeing you pretend that there are any consequences what so ever for their failure to do so.

anything...absolutely anything...but respond with a yea or nay...

 

[Darat]

No it is not, not when they have an absolute right to access all that is good on the internet. You don't kick them off because the adults have failed to regulate it.

They do not have such an absolute right - neither do adults in the UK.

It is.

As banning slavery hasn't stopped it. How many times does this need to be said?

Right, now are you going to shut down that hypothetical porn vendor or not? You won't answer 'cos you can't.

What has that got to do with your solution not working?

 

[Poem]

They do not have such an absolute right - neither do adults in the UK.

You don't recognise the rights your representatives signed up to and ratified.

What has that got to do with your solution not working?

Just stop swerving questions.

 

[Joe Random]

anything...absolutely anything...but respond with a yea or nay...

George Carlin : Here's another guy thing that sucks - these t-shirts that say : "Lead, follow, or get out of the way". You ever see that? <...> You know what I do when I see that shirt? I obstruct.

 

[Poem]

Ask an awkward (for some) question...viz: #6,602....cue the prevarication.

 

[theprestige]

You don't recognise the rights your representatives signed up to and ratified.

Just stop swerving questions.

Nobody likes leading questions. Everyone can tell when you're trying to railroad them to your predetermined conclusion, without exposing your own arguments to examination.

It's wasteful, too. You spend ten times longer trying to extract a single answer, than you'd spend just laying out your argument - evidence, reasoning, conclusion - and let people see it all and make up their own minds.

The only reason to insist on argument by leading question is that you don't want people to make up their own minds. And that's why your questions keep getting swerved.

 

[Poem]

Nobody likes leading questions. Everyone can tell when you're trying to railroad them to your predetermined conclusion, without exposing your own arguments to examination.

It's wasteful, too. You spend ten times longer trying to extract a single answer, than you'd spend just laying out your argument - evidence, reasoning, conclusion - and let people see it all and make up their own minds.

The only reason to insist on argument by leading question is that you don't want people to make up their own minds. And that's why your questions keep getting swerved.

On the contrary, the analogy cuts to the core of the issue.

 

[theprestige]

On the contrary, the analogy cuts to the core of the issue.

Haha oh wow. I didn't even notice that you'd introduced an analogy. My bad.

No, analogies by design do not and cannot cut to the core of the issue. They can only ever approximate the issue. That's the point: you use an analogy to bring someone closer to an unfamiliar subject, by introducing it in terms of something more familiar. But it's always expected that once a person becomes more familiar with the subject, they'll set aside the analogy and engage with the subject properly, in its own terms. And that's when they start approaching the core of the issue.

Analogies have limited use when teaching new concepts to small children. They have no business here. We're all equally familiar with the subject. We don't need it introduced in terms of something else. We're not your students. You're not our teacher. Just lay out your argument, as one peer to antoher, and let people make up their own minds.

 

[Poem]

Haha oh wow. I didn't even notice that you'd introduced an analogy. My bad.

No, analogies by design do not and cannot cut to the core of the issue. They can only ever approximate the issue. That's the point: you use an analogy to bring someone closer to an unfamiliar subject, by introducing it in terms of something more familiar. But it's always expected that once a person becomes more familiar with the subject, they'll set aside the analogy and engage with the subject properly, in its own terms. And that's when they start approaching the core of the issue.

Analogies have limited use when teaching new concepts to small children. They have no business here. We're all equally familiar with the subject. We don't need it introduced in terms of something else. We're not your students. You're not our teacher. Just lay out your argument, as one peer to antoher, and let people make up their own minds.

Vague and rambling tp. You've posted better.

 

[theprestige]

Vague and rambling tp. You've posted better.

I've posted whole essays on why and how arguments from analogy always fail. I'm giving you the summary here.

The point is, people can tell when you're trying to railroad them. People know what leading questions look like. People get that there's a petitio principii hiding in an appeal to analogy. They don't like it, and they generally try not to play along with it.

And there's nothing at all vague or rambling about this:

Make your argument - evidence, reasoning, conclusion - and let people make up their own minds. Stop trying to force your conclusion on them with leading questions and appeals to analogy.

 

[Poem]

I've posted whole essays on why and how arguments from analogy always fail. I'm giving you the summary here.

The point is, people can tell when you're trying to railroad them. People know what leading questions look like. People get that there's a petiio principii hiding in an appeal to analogy. They don't like it, and they generally try not to play along with it.

And there's nothing at all vague or rambling about this:

Make your argument - evidence, reasoning, conclusion - and let people make up their own minds. Stop trying to force your conclusion on them with leading questions and appeals to analogy.

You have also posted an analogy and I actually engaged with it. You never came back.

Nobody is forcing anything. Any responsible adult would shut down that vendor I described - sometimes stark analogies can frame an argument so succinctly that they cut to the core of the issue. Nothing you have said (which is still vague and rambling) remotely counters it.

 

[catsmate]

They do not have such an absolute right - neither do adults in the UK.

What has that got to do with your solution not working?

Yeah, someone seems to be completely out of touch with reality.

 

[Darat]

You don't recognise the rights your representatives signed up to and ratified.

I do. You don't.

Just stop swerving questions.

What has that got to do with your solution not working?

 

[Poem]

I do. You don't.

Ok, go on.

 

[Poem]

I withdraw the charge. Lithrael nor anyone else should feel obligated to address it, or any other claim I've made, in place of addressing your own claims and arguments.

You withdraw that pov or just the post that expressed it? If the former then that's quite a volte face.

 

[Lithrael]

It seems to me to be pretty easy to give minors access to the internet in a shared family space where they can be casually chaperoned, instead of in private, until they are old/familiar enough with how things work to safely curate their own experience.

 

[arthwollipot]

People falling over themselves making excuses.

And still no response to #6,602...............................

I just responded to #6602 in the post immediately preceding this one.