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Does 'rape culture' accurately describe (many) societies?

Poem said:
If sex is no more meaningful, valuable or morally challenging than speaking then it is not special.
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Will you be supporting this opinion with facts?
Poem said:
Why won't you explain the (your) issue with sex education and the porn industry spamming kinks to our youth? It is relevant to this discussion.
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It's another of your unsupported statements.
 
Poem said:
You seem to be under the illusion that heterosexual relationships need not be the norm - that biology hasn't actually determined them to be so. So what - are you challenging science now? You do know the existential implications of this don't you?
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What is this supposed to mean?
Poem said:
You are propagating and making excuses for an industry that recklessly spams and influences kid's (and by extension all consumer's) sexuality.
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Evidence?
 
acbytesla said:
(...) I think it's also important to understand that our tastes change. What did it for you before is boring today. And things you couldn't imagine being interested in when you're younger now are delicious.
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This is a description of someone's sexual tastes changing, not their sexual orientation changing. Poem literally cut out the first line I've quoted here.

Now, porn might be one of the things that could inspire someone to explore their sexuality. But I have no reason to believe it can make them gay (or straight for that matter).

How much easier life would be if we could simply program ourselves to be sexually attracted to whatever body type we wanted to like.

Once again it seems to me that those who see porn as a threat, genuinely believe that what is in porn is not just different but better, and we must avoid seeing it or we will no longer want normal relationships.

Candy is sweet, and yet after trying candy, I do not want candy for dinner (and there are still many kinds of candy I simply do not like).
 
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Lithrael said:
This is a description of someone's sexual tastes changing, not their sexual orientation changing. Poem literally cut out the first line I've quoted here.

Now, porn might be one of the things that could inspire someone to explore their sexuality. But I have no reason to believe it can make them gay (or straight for that matter).

How much easier life would be if we could simply program ourselves to be sexually attracted to whatever body type we wanted to like.

Once again it seems to me that those who see porn as a threat, genuinely believe that what is in porn is not just different but better, and we must avoid seeing it or we will no longer want normal relationships.

Candy is sweet, and yet after trying candy, I do not want candy for dinner.
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You are splitting hairs. Sexual taste is summed up in that post as something that is now delicious; that doesn't dissolve the moment the screen is removed.
 
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Darat said:
Any evidence that this will change someone from being hetrosexual to being bisexual or homosexual?
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Evidence that total uninterest in x can morph into finding x delicious was presented.
 
Completely absent porn, human beings still have sexual tastes which can sometimes not be apparant to them until it comes up. Do you propose people should strive to make sure they never explore their sexual tastes (or orientations) in case they end up spicy, and eliminating porn is just the low-hanging fruit of this 'problem?'
 
Poem said:
Evidence that total uninterest in x can morph into finding x delicious was presented.
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Well, I didn't used to like brussels sprouts at all, so I agree tastes can change drastically. Maybe if I watched enough of the right porn I'd develop a sexual interest in women.

Should I try it and report back?
 
Poem said:
(...) Sex through porn has become mere speech to you... (...)
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There is nothing 'mere' about speech.

If I had to give up either sex or speech I'd keep speech, no contest.

(In the sense, as Darat points out below, of expression.)
 
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Poem said:
Evidence that total uninterest in x can morph into finding x delicious was presented.
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I asked a specific question so why can't YOU answer it - do you believe that someone watching porn can be changed from being a hetrosexual to being a bisexual or homosexual? The answer to this question is a yes or no.
 
Lithrael said:
There is nothing 'mere' about speech.

If I had to give up either sex or speech I'd keep speech, no contest.
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It's also a slight difference in the language - we have freedom of expression in the UK, that is meant to make it clear that the right isn't just about speech, the USA uses freedom of speech to cover the same range of freedoms- it isn't limited to only speech.
 
Helen said:
Sex is, or at least can be, fun. It's far from always about reproduction, or about building a stable society (not sure why it should be). Sometimes you are introduced to new ideas, and realise that you like them. I am sorry that this horrifies you. Seems a shame.
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It's also objectively silly and laughable - I could never be into BDSM and the like because I would be bursting out laughing every two minutes.
 
Darat said:
I asked a specific question so why can't YOU answer it - do you believe that someone watching porn can be changed from being a hetrosexual to being a bisexual or homosexual? The answer to this question is a yes or no.
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The evidence is that tastes can and do change.
 
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