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Split Thread What is Communism

Ziggurat said:
Contact would have been made eventually, and unless you think it could have been delayed another 400 years before happening, smallpox and other old world epidemics would have ravaged the Americas. It was inevitable, a tragic result of geography and biology. The only way to stop it would have been modern medicine, which wasn't available. Do you really think Europeans would have just never explored the Americas? Why are you evaluating these events with perfect hindsight instead of with the limited knowledge available at the time?
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It was more of a joke when I said it. That's why I phrased it the way I did, but you were too busy calling me dumb, slow, unintelligent, or whatever else you pulled out of your as...lexicon to try and support this nonsense. I figured it was blatantly obvious, since the answer would have literally been to, as you said, never go there in the first place, or leave the people the ◊◊◊◊ alone...but you've taught me to never overestimate the intelligence of those around me.

Anyway, does this have anything at all to do with Luigi or the CEO or anything at all related to this thread?
 
The Great Zaganza said:
sounds good.
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It won't be. Societies which drive out the rich don't tend to fare very well.
The Great Zaganza said:
I notice that you are arguing for letting people starve to protect profiteers.
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I'm not arguing for anything of the sort.

When is the last time you heard of anyone in the US starving to death? Obesity is a far greater problem for the poor in this country than malnutrition.
The Great Zaganza said:
"everyone gets one helping before anyone gets seconds" should not be a controversial position in a civilized humane society.
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We just need to do communism right this time.
 
Ziggurat said:
It won't be. Societies which drive out the rich don't tend to fare very well.

I'm not arguing for anything of the sort.

When is the last time you heard of anyone in the US starving to death? Obesity is a far greater problem for the poor in this country than malnutrition.

We just need to do communism right this time.
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proving once again that you don't know much about poverty in the US or communism.
 
The Great Zaganza said:
Food Stamp restrictions
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Bwahahaha!

Dude, the food stamp restrictions that Trump put in place that upset people is specifically to prevent people from using them to buy the sugary garbage that leads to obesity. Those restrictions don't lead to malnutrition.
 
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Silly Green Monkey said:
It is when you consider the chemical conversion sequence in making fat, what feeds into it, what doesn't, and what can't.
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There's all sorts of things to be said about bad nutrition (including the government's role in promoting it), but it is not primarily a problem of a lack of food, but bad choices. And it's more than a little ironic that TGZ is complaining about SNAP benefits being restricted so that you CAN'T buy sugary soda with it anymore, while you're complaining that sugary sodas are so bad they're tantamount to starvation.
 
Yes, old people with dementia frequently don't eat properly, and that leads to malnutrition which then leads to further mental decline in a vicious death spiral. It almost happened to my aunt, but for the intervention of my mother. It's a serious public health issue, but it's not really an issue with food not being available. And it sure as ◊◊◊◊ isn't because you can't buy coke with SNAP anymore.
 
Ziggurat said:
Yes, old people with dementia frequently don't eat properly, and that leads to malnutrition which then leads to further mental decline in a vicious death spiral. It almost happened to my aunt, but for the intervention of my mother. It's a serious public health issue, but it's not really an issue with food not being available. And it sure as ◊◊◊◊ isn't because you can't buy coke with SNAP anymore.
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Sweet. I've never seen someone try to pivot a conversation so fast before in my life. Notice how it doesn't say "only" when it refers to the "most vulnerable"? That's because it happens to plenty of others as well, of all ages. Those are just the people that are "most vulnerable".

I know you knew that, you know you knew that, so why bother with this dumb ◊◊◊◊? Why bother trying to fleece people here? When you do this it just looks so ridiculous. First you strawman TZG's point and then you say nonsense like this. I just can't understand why. Do you think people here are dumb enough to not see what you're doing? We're not all Trump supporters here. You can't gaslight the whole forum and then when you're called out throw a red herring and trot off while calling everyone else stupid because they don't see ◊◊◊◊ your way.
 
The Great Zaganza said:
claim was that Communism is the reason for mass killing.
the conquistadors were pure capitalists in that they all had huge debts to banks at home and had to exploit the new continent and the people, lest they themselves ended up in a debtor's prison, and no constraints from a State on how they got to exploit the natives.
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Mercantilists and second sons of minor feudal lords is more accurate. I have noted this as a tendency among some of communisms defenders, basically calling every political an economic system prior to 1848, capitalism. Which to be fair, is mirrored on the right by calling all the bad things communism.
Helen said:
Just like Trump! So he's a communist, is he?
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Well, he's definitely not a conservative. Thing about populist demagogues, left or right the only thing that differs much is who they scape goat.
Helen said:
Some grievances are real, and I cannot see why ideologies based on righting real wrongs are necessarily bad. Quite the opposite.
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Sure, some grievances are real, not a great organizing principle for society though. Its more about how the those ideologies seek to right those real wrongs and that they don't always distinguish much between real wrongs and imagined.
 
What's the difference between mercantilism and capitalism when there is no State Control to prevent excesses?
Corporate Towns are proof that on its own, Capitalism leads to brutal exploitation of workers.
 
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The Great Zaganza said:
What's the difference between mercantilism and capitalism when there is no State Control to prevent excesses?
Corporate Towns are proof that on its own, Capitalism leads to brutal exploitation of workers.
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What's the difference between communism and fascism if everything is under control of the state? Conquistadors, is all in the name, they were conquerors who became the state after the conquests whose primary responsibility was to funnel material wealth to the State in Spain. You can call that capitalism I guess but makes the term fairly useless.
 
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