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Did Epstein run a World Satanic Ring?

Vixen said:
Sorry, I thought you were asking a serious question but now I realise you are just being obtuse for 'fun'.
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I'm not the one being obtuse.

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Now here's the thing: Epstein knew Sarah Ferguson before she knew Andrew. ...
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You have failed to provide anything to back this up. Please do so, or admit it's a load of bollocks.
 
Vixen said:
Here, again is Ferguson's own words.

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Vixen said:
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You understood perfectly.
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junkshop said:
That would imply that she knew Andrew first. Why would Epstein have only been friends with her 'to get to Andrew' if she didn't yet know Andrew? That makes no sense.
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Your bizarre, arse-about-tit interpretation of that email still makes no sense, and doesn't prove your claim

You understood imperfectly.
 
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junkshop said:
Your bizarre, arse-about-tit interpretation of that email still makes no sense, and doesn't prove your claim

You understood imperfectly.
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If you recall, I said it indicated Sarah knew Epstein before Epstein knew Andrew and I gave my reasoning. If you disagree, please explain why you disagree instead of asking the same question over and over again, as though for sport. If you really want to work out when Sarah connected with Epstein, then you can always research it for yourself. Can you put your hand on your heart that your repetitious question was in good faith and not some kind of 'fun' attempt at 'hazing'?
 
zooterkin said:
All that shows is that Epstein was friends with Ferguson before he was friends with Andrew.

It does not show that Epstein was friends with Ferguson before she was friends with Andrew.
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The first part is what I said. As I made clear, her becoming Andrew's partner is not the same as having seen him around on the polo circuit, which was your argument.
 
Vixen said:
If you recall, I said it indicated Sarah knew Epstein before Epstein knew Andrew and I gave my reasoning. If you disagree, please explain why you disagree instead of asking the same question over and over again, as though for sport...
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You have cited it (more than once) as evidence for your claim that Ferguson knew Epstein before she knew Andrew. It does not prove that, indeed it suggests the opposite.

Vixen said:
...If you really want to work out when Sarah connected with Epstein, then you can always research it for yourself...
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I don't want to. I want you to back up your claim.

Vixen said:
...Can you put your hand on your heart that your repetitious question was in good faith and not some kind of 'fun' attempt at 'hazing'?
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Yes, yes I can.

ETA: I have asked you two questions on this subject. They were related, but different. I have, as yet, repeated neither.
 
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Vixen said:
If you recall, I said it indicated Sarah knew Epstein before Epstein knew Andrew and I gave my reasoning.
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As I quoted, several times, with highlights, that's not what you said. It seems you made an error in your original post. Perhaps you need to read things more carefully, especially what you've written.

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Now here's the thing: Epstein knew Sarah Ferguson before she knew Andrew. ...
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That's she, which, in context, can only refer to Sarah Ferguson.
 
junkshop said:
You have cited it (more than once) as evidence for your claim that Ferguson knew Epstein before she knew Andrew. It does not prove that, indeed it suggests the opposite.


I don't want to. I want you to back up your claim.


Yes, yes I can.

ETA: I have asked you two questions on this subject. They were related, but different. I have, as yet, repeated neither.
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Yes, we all agreed she's '"known" Andrew from childhood'. Move along. But she didn't have access to him to tap him for the type of info required by Epstein until she 'started a relationship' with Andrew, in 1985 (wiki). Epstein would not have needed to use friendship with Ferguson to 'get to Andrew' had Ghislaine Maxwell had that 'close friends' relationship with Andrew first; from the mid-80's (as per wiki quoting Andrew himself). I am now out.
 
Vixen said:
Yes, we all agreed she's '"known" Andrew from childhood'. Move along. But she didn't have access to him to tap him for the type of info required by Epstein until she 'started a relationship' with Andrew, in 1985 (wiki). Epstein would not have needed to use friendship with Ferguson to 'get to Andrew' had Ghislaine Maxwell had that 'close friends' relationship with Andrew first; from the mid-80's (as per wiki quoting Andrew himself). I am now out.
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You still don't get it, do you?

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Vixen said:
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Now here's the thing: Epstein knew Sarah Ferguson before she knew Andrew. ...
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zooterkin said:
As I quoted, several times, with highlights, that's not what you said. It seems you made an error in your original post. Perhaps you need to read things more carefully, especially what you've written.

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That's she, which, in context, can only refer to Sarah Ferguson.
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I am talking about relationships, not loose connections at the gymkhana. Ferguson was in a relationship with Epstein and moved onto Andrew. In the meantime, Andrew also got to be very close friends with Ghislaine, who was also Epstein's partner. We know Sarah and Ghislaine were love rivals for Epstein and Andrew as Ghislaine refers to Sarah in a recently released deposition as her 'frenemy'. Please stop with the childhood vague acquaintance from a [long] distance red herring.
 
Vixen said:
I am talking about relationships, not loose connections at the gymkhana. Ferguson was in a relationship with Epstein and moved onto Andrew.
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You really do mean it? When did this relationship between Epstein and Ferguson begin?

Come on, do the chronology.
 
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Vixen said:
No idea but she was 26 before she 'started a relationship' with Andrew.
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No idea? So what are you basing this nonsense on?
She married Andrew in 1986. Maxwell didn't meet Epstein until, probably, 1990 or 91. When, in your fantasy, did Epstein meet Ferguson?

Do you have any supporting evidence, or does this just rely on your misreading of an email?
 
zooterkin said:
No idea? So what are you basing this nonsense on?
She married Andrew in 1986. Maxwell didn't meet Epstein until, probably, 1990 or 91. When, in your fantasy, did Epstein meet Ferguson?

Do you have any supporting evidence, or does this just rely on your misreading of an email?
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But Epstein was introduced to Robert Maxwell by Hoffenberg. Robert Maxwell is where it all began for the BRF.
 
Vixen said:
Matthew Steeples, journalist, claims he can date Epstein's activities as far back as 1974, even.

https://twitter.com/x/status/2025891636203442577
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Your sources are, as ever... the kind of sources you rely on.

A graduate of the London School of Economics, Matthew Steeples is a writer and marketing consultant. Prior to embarking on his writing career, Steeples advised companies in the food and drink sector on marketing strategies and organised showcases for renowned photographers and artists including John Stoddart, William Cookson and Aliona Adrianova. He conceived The Steeple Times as a media arena to fill the void between the Mail Online, The Huffington Post and such organs as the New York Social Diary in 2012 and has been lauded most especially for his investigative work into the Madeleine McCann and Ghislaine Maxwell cases.
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