Axxman300
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Did Epstein run a World Satanic Ring?
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Jack by the hedge
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Bin Sulayem did not say anything about little children.
junkshop
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That would imply that she knew Andrew first. Why would Epstein have only been friends with her 'to get to Andrew' if she didn't yet know Andrew? That makes no sense.
Reformed Offlian
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"With our new 5G network, it's easier than ever to stay connected!"
I *knew* the 5G network was involved somehow!
When did Epstein first meet Sarah Ferguson?
The Great Zaganza
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I'm more interested in how much contact he had with Robert Maxwell
Vixen
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You haven't been paying attention. Todd Blanche recently announced the DOJ would not be releasing videos or images of dead or injured bodies, nor of torture. In addition, he announced there would be no further investigation or arrests. What??? What kind of sick country is the USA when reports of child sex trafficking and reports of torture, electric shocks and strangling are ignored and a 34-times convicted felon, accused of CSA by very young children, is voted in as POTUS and allegations ignored? Any other country would have brought the rotund orange one in for questioning. Reports of bodies? Send in the freaking cadaver dogs. America, what is wrong with you???!!!Your idea of a debate is straight out of Monty Python...
And? Nobody disputes this. But her claims should be easy to verify.
No, I do not understand how there is a cult-connected conspiracy. Epstein went to prison...sort of...after taking a plea deal in Florida. His estate in Florida is not in a remote location, and neither is his brownstone in NYC. The only cult any normal person can see behind all this is bureaucracy within the FBI, DoJ, and the relative state justice entities. We can't just arrest people on a whim, ICE not withstanding. You need probable cause, and a warrant. From there you need enough evidence to take a case to a court of law, and this is where sex abuse cases always fall apart, historically.
Nothing is really hidden as we knew most of this stuff in these files already in the broad sense, This was due to investigators leaking, and or coming forward to discuss publicly the things they investigated.
Andrew will have his day in court. Not sure how that works in the UK, but the press there will be all over it. But you ignore WHAT he passed along to Epstein: financial information.
Andrew shared confidential information with Epstein as trade envoy, files suggest
Under official guidance, trade envoys have a duty of confidentiality over sensitive, commercial, or political information.www.bbc.com
And this is key to your failure. You imply that there was no way Epstein could have amassed such wealth, and yet here we have a single high-profile source handing him insider information that would be profitable. Epstein would then act on the information, and or pass it along to "clients" for a fee. There are state secrets and there are state secrets. Andrew wasn't passing along launch codes, or submarine route, or SAS activities. He was filling Epstein in on trade meetings. Illegal? Yup. But the information was only useful to other rich people.
Not at all. It would be nice if you stuck to the facts of the case, and cited documents which support your claims directly. Either there are documents to support your claims for there are not.
Vixen
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Er, he was constantly in the presence of Epstein and put his name as owner of GSJ to help the pervert hide his activities on LSJ.
Vixen
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She may have known him via polo coaching but that's hardly the same as having his ear as a confidante. That came when, according to wiki, she' started a relationship' with Andrew in 1985, aged 26. Crook Ponzi conman Hoffenberg introduced Epstein to fellow crook Robert Maxwell obviously before he snuffed it. That's likely how Epstein started being handled as a spy operative by Ghislaine. Ghislaine and Sarah appear to have been Epstein love rivals as they hated each other and both went after Andrew, who seems to have joined the spy club as a result.
So, you need to show that Sarah Ferguson knew Epstein before 1985. Can you do that?
junkshop
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What zooterkin said.
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Graphic Sexual Horror - Wikipedia
Vixen
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Do what lawyers do. Do the chronology. If Andrew became acquainted with Ghislaine in the mid-80's then Epstein certainly didn't need to use friendship with Fergie to gain access to Andrew, when he had Ghislaine.
I'll repeat. You made a claim. Can you back it up? Produce some evidence that Epstein knew Ferguson before she knew Andrew. Evidence, not speculation.
Jack by the hedge
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That doesn't look much like evidence for your assumption that the torture video he mentioned had children in it.
Axxman300
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You clearly did not read my post.
There were 2 FBI investigations, an investigation by NY, and another one by Florida. And since there is a mountain of unreleased documents we can't say what was done.
There are at least two threads dedicated to this topic elsewhere on this board. The answer is not easy, or as simple as either side wants it to be. You can wander over to them as we will not discuss the election here.
As far as accusations go, unlike in Vixenland, our justice system requires evidence that will stand up in a court of law, and hold up against the inevitable appeals. The state of New York, New York City, and Florida are run by gutless cowards when the accused is worth over a certain amount. This is nothing new.
And where do you send the dogs to? The source about the bodies in New Mexico wanted Bitcoin before he gave details. You can't just take them out to the desert for days on end, dog get warn out, and that means they'd need multiple teams, and that gets expensive.
And then...it's New Mexico. There are bodies buried in the desert for a variety of reasons unrelated to Epstein, so even if they find bodies they then have to identify them, and link them to the estate. Good luck with that.
Fun Fact: California alone averages 300 unclaimed bodies of dead children each year. This has been true for almost 30 years. The US has had a problem with dead children for a long time, and somehow it has been swept under the rug. When the topic bubbles out into the public eye it quickly vanishes again. The number of unprosecuted sex crimes against children is astronomical as well. Our Constitution, and most state constitutions were written at a time when 12 years old was a legal marrying age, and while - most - of the US is now 18 years of age, the other laws relating to child rape have yet to catch up.
If I sound blasé it's because Epstein is just the best known of a long, long, long list of this particular breed of scumbag.
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Vixen
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Sorry, I thought you were asking a serious question but now I realise you are just being obtuse for 'fun'.
Vixen
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Article about Zorro Ranch.
MarkCorrigan
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Meaningless gibberish.
Stop running away like a coward and support one of your claims for once.
MarkCorrigan
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How is he being obtuse? He asked you to support your claim. You are trying to weasel out of it as per usual.