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Did Epstein run a World Satanic Ring?

Jack by the hedge said:
Nope. I'm not lifting a finger. I'm just waiting for some eager accuser to bring something that isn't just lurid imaginings of hellish deeds in secret underground dungeons.
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There were a lot of comfy throw pillows? Nothing says "I serve the Dark One" like a desire to luxuriously recline. I mean, one of my kids had a bean bag chair once and she's a bit of a hellion?
 
Thermal said:
There were a lot of comfy throw pillows? Nothing says "I serve the Dark One" like a desire to luxuriously recline. I mean, one of my kids had a bean bag chair once and she's a bit of a hellion?
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Could I interest you in a second hand set of seven Daggers of Meggido? One can never be too careful. Just watch out for random and inexplicably armed British coppers.
 
P.J. Denyer said:
Could I interest you in a second hand set of seven Daggers of Meggido? One can never be too careful. Just watch out for random and inexplicably armed British coppers.
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I do love a bargain, especially when saving the earth from a thousand year reign of evil. COVID has been tough on the wallet.
 
zooterkin said:
You're right, it's quite possible they met and even knew each other between being toddlers and being at the dinner that Diana invited them both to. That latter event seems fairly definite, though, and establishes a latest date for their first knowing one another which is clearly earlier than Epstein first meeting Ferguson. Which clearly shows Vixen's specific claim, "Epstein knew Sarah Ferguson before she knew Andrew." to be nonsense.
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Not sure how it disproves Epstein used Sarah to get access to Andrew, as she appears to accuse him in a recently released email. Steven Hoffenberg says he introduced Epstein to Robert Maxwell. Maxwell died November 1991. Epstein likely met Maxwell's daughter during that same period. Andrew claims in a TV interview he met Ghislaine from Oxford days. She was there circa 1985. Epstein appears to have had a relationship with both Maxwell and Sarah, although she seemed more invested in him than him in her. Epstein seems to have known Sarah before Andrew, and this seems to have been via her, as she complains. Hoffenberg ran a Ponzi scheme, which he claims involved Epstein and we know Sarah was a massive freeloader, milking Epstein for all he was worth.
 
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Vixen said:
Not sure how it disproves Epstein used Sarah to get access to Andrew, as she appears to accuse him in a recently released email. Steven Hoffenberg says he introduced Epstein to Robert Maxwell. Maxwell died November 1991. Epstein likely met Maxwell's daughter during that same period. Andrew claims in a TV interview he met Ghislaine from Oxford days. She was there circa 1985. Epstein appears to have had a relationship with both Maxwell and Sarah, although she seemed more invested in him than him in her. Epstein seems to have known Sarah before Andrew, and this seems to have been via her, as she complains. Hoffenberg ran a Ponzi scheme, which he claims involved Epstein and we know Sarah was a massive freeloader, milking Epstein for all he was worth.
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Do try to concentrate.

Your claim, for which you have yet to provide any evidence, was:

Epstein knew Sarah Ferguson before she knew Andrew.
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Not, Epstein knew Ferguson before he knew Andrew.
 
jasonkilanski said:
From what I'm seeing, part of the problem is the word "Satanic". Some people mean that in the sense that there are "Satanists" who are really just atheists trolling Christians. Others mean that as in people who practice human sacrifice and/or cannibalism to dark powers; or something similar. I feel like I don't ever see anyone make that distinction clear.

Now, are there religions that practice cannibalism? Sure. Do I think any really powerful people practice these religions? It's possible, but not probable. There is more probability people who claimed to see things were drugged, or more we know some of them were drugged, and it's more probable this had something to do with what they think they saw.

Are there powerful people who are atheists who "Satanists" who are really just atheists trolling Christians. Yeah, probably.
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Hi Jason, welcome to the list. There is no evidence of cannibalism or child sacrifice, just allegations which remain uncorroborated. However, we do know planeloads of minors were provided (see Brunel and his 12-year-olds). What kind of celebrity would cosplay having sex with children or even torture. For now, the narrative is this was for Epstein's own personal use, as a paedophile. But suppose it wasn't, speaking as devils advocate, and there were satanic rituals, as it were? I mean Al bin Suleyman is clearly islamic on paper but seems to have 'enjoyed a torture video'. In addition, it is well-known the Italian Roman Catholic Church saw Freemasonry as 'satanic', and the latter are pretty heavy on Ancient Egyptian symbology. Can't move in the City of London for mason symbology every hundred yards. Who knows if Epstein's pervy guests got off on that stuff.
 
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Vixen said:
Depends what you mean by know. You can know someone without being in their inner circle. Here, the context is clearly as 'love interest'.
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So, as you seem to be confirming it wasn't a typo, when do you believe Epstein first met Sarah Ferguson? What's your source for that?
 
Vixen said:
Hi Jason, welcome to the list.
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The...List?
Vixen said:
I mean Al bin Suleyman is clearly islamic on paper but seems to have 'enjoyed a torture video'.
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Serious question: considering how casually this comment was dropped, do you think this might have meant something else than a literal video of literal torture of a human or animal? For instance, if Epstein sent a video of Brazillian babes in dental floss bikinis, might an old man have described that as something that was torture to him? Again, considering the delivery, that's what I would interpret such a comment to be referring to.
 
zooterkin said:
So, as you seem to be confirming it wasn't a typo, when do you believe Epstein first met Sarah Ferguson? What's your source for that?
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Read Ferguson in her own words:

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As you know, he and Andrew were virtually co-partners; why would he even need to go via Fergie unless it was to inveigle himself into the BRF.
 
Thermal said:
The...List?

Serious question: considering how casually this comment was dropped, do you think this might have meant something else than a literal video of literal torture of a human or animal? For instance, if Epstein sent a video of Brazillian babes in dental floss bikinis, might an old man have described that as something that was torture to him? Again, considering the delivery, that's what I would interpret such a comment to be referring to.
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Well, Al bin Suleyman, in whose name Greater St. James was purchased by Epstein, was the CEO of one of the world's largest shipping container companies - 10% of the market - and he immediately stood down as soon as that email about enjoying the torture was released, recently.
 
Vixen said:
Read Ferguson in her own words:

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As you know, he and Andrew were virtually co-partners; why would he even need to go via Fergie unless it was to inveigle himself into the BRF.
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Once again, you don't seem to understand what you said.

Vixen said:
A search on Google puts him in the middle range of IQ-estimate. It could well be that as a boomer he was awkward on social media, Rather like Andrew calling himself 'The Duke' as a disguise or Fergie, 'F' (oooh, I wonder who that could be?). Hence, comes across as semi-literate.

A glance at chronology can tell us a story. Ghislaine Maxwell went to Oxford in 1985. That is where it is believed she met Andrew as an aquaintance (she was born Dec1961, he Feb 1960).. Andrew confirmed in a tv interview he knew her from there. Now here's the thing: Epstein knew Sarah Ferguson before she knew Andrew. Some say it was a romantic relationship, In a recent release of emails, she complains he used her to get access to Andrew. The common link is Ghislaine, whose father was well-known to be a Mossad, a reasonable assumption. She inherited a tidy sum, so I dare say she was the brains behind Epstein's sex ring, facilitating it for Andrew and Jeffrey; she and Sarah arranging a steady stream of goods. Epstein based in NY drew in pervy rich US guys, such as Wexner, Gates, Clinton, Trump, Derschovitz Woody Allen, etc.

https://twitter.com/x/status/2022974973271216614
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How did Epstein know Sarah Ferguson before she, Fergie, knew Andrew?
 
Vixen said:
Well, Al bin Suleyman, in whose name Greater St. James was purchased by Epstein, was the CEO of one of the world's largest shipping container companies - 10% of the market - and he immediately stood down as soon as that email about enjoying the torture was released, recently.
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He was already named as a co-conspirator of Epstein in trafficking. The 'torture video' email doesn't appear to have anything to do with that.
 
zooterkin said:
Once again, you don't seem to understand what you said.



How did Epstein know Sarah Ferguson before she, Fergie, knew Andrew?
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No idea. Wiki doesn't tend to reveal what Royal ladies got up to the other side of the sheets. Wiki says she was 26 when 'she started a relationship with Andrew' so hardly the 'blushing Lady Diana' type.
 
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