Trump's promised ICE raids have begun

Resume said:
So Blondi. has Ms. Antifa spilled the beans yet?
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Unlike many other professions, lawyers are individually responsible for the conduct of their office regardless of what orders they may have been giving by their superiors. Being ordered to engage in revenge prosecutions puts them in personal professional jeopardy. Hence the only safe route is resignation. Bondi is accusing them of "failing to support ICE" by their failure to target people for prosecution based on their attitude toward the regime.

Further, there are a lot of reports coming out on social media from individuals who document how ICE agents are tailing them, stalking them, and apparently engaged in other intelligence-gathering activities aimed at peaceful observers and protesters. ICE isn't ridding Minneapolis of dangerous criminals. Tthey're cracking down on dissent. Note how ICE isn't attacking Florida or Texas, where they would be far more likely to find undocumented immigrants.

newyorkguy said:
I count at least twenty of them. The masked agent in front is brandishing a loaded rifle and he appears to have his finger on the trigger. This doesn't look like law enforcement, it looks like a military operation. What is the point, other then sheer intimidation.
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Historically ICE was one of the safest jobs. Prior to Pres. Trump, many agents didn't even carry guns. Illegal aliens were among the least likely people to own guns, hence confronting them rarely resulted in violence. You were at greater risk being an officer for the Bureau of Indian Affairs. The present ICE has no purpose other than to intimidate a peaceful civilian populace, crack down on political dissent, and ultimately to provoke more violence that I imagine they hope will result in agent deaths. They are Trump's personal army. He has been talking for a year about invoking the Insurrection Act against his political enemies. He will do so, and ICE is the tool he's currently using to get there.

newyorkguy said:
To have all of these agents in combat gear milling around in a residential street in an American city is unlike anything we've ever seen.
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I happened to my city. During the 2002 Winter Olympics, an entire infantry division was deployed to my city. But this was mere months after 9/11, so it made some sense and it was done at our governor's explicit request. It was mostly theater to assure world visitors of safety. But it was still deeply unsettling to see soldiers in combat gear acting as civil peacekeepers.

newyorkguy said:
This appears to me to be full-blown political repression. This is a city in a Blue State, a city with a mayor whom trump despises. This is no longer the America I knew.
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Donald Trump is a sick man obsessed with grievance and revenge. At this point I don't think it's outside the Overton window to wonder whether he's willing to start a civil war to serve his revenge obsession.
 
JayUtah said:
Unlike many other professions, lawyers are individually responsible for the conduct of their office regardless of what orders they may have been giving by their superiors. Being ordered to engage in revenge prosecutions puts them in personal professional jeopardy. Hence the only safe route is resignation. Bondi is accusing them of "failing to support ICE" by their failure to target people for prosecution based on their attitude toward the regime.

Further, there are a lot of reports coming out on social media from individuals who document how ICE agents are tailing them, stalking them, and apparently engaged in other intelligence-gathering activities aimed at peaceful observers and protesters. ICE isn't ridding Minneapolis of dangerous criminals. Tthey're cracking down on dissent. Note how ICE isn't attacking Florida or Texas, where they would be far more likely to find undocumented immigrants.


Historically ICE was one of the safest jobs. Prior to Pres. Trump, many agents didn't even carry guns. Illegal aliens were among the least likely people to own guns, hence confronting them rarely resulted in violence. You were at greater risk being an officer for the Bureau of Indian Affairs. The present ICE has no purpose other than to intimidate a peaceful civilian populace, crack down on political dissent, and ultimately to provoke more violence that I imagine they hope will result in agent deaths. They are Trump's personal army. He has been talking for a year about invoking the Insurrection Act against his political enemies. He will do so, and ICE is the tool he's currently using to get there.
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It's the Antifa accusation that is worrying.
It opens up the door to prosecution as a terrorist.
 
Q: Why are we seeing Americans being asked on the street to provide proof of citizenship in Minnesota? Is that targeted enforcement and are you advising Americans to carry proof of citizenship?

KRISTI NOEM: In every situation we are doing targeted enforcement. If we are on a target, there may be individuals surrounding that criminal that we may be asking who they are and why they're there and having them validate their identity

https://twitter.com/x/status/2011825171976376554
 
Andy_Ross said:
It's the Antifa accusation that is worrying.
It opens up the door to prosecution as a terrorist.
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The Trump regime has already attempted to define Antifa as a domestic terrorist organization and is identifying such behaviors as disrespect of Christianity to be grounds for suspected membership. It doesn't take a law degree to understand what is so very wrong with all of that.

Andy_Ross said:
KRISTI NOEM: In every situation we are doing targeted enforcement. If we are on a target, there may be individuals surrounding that criminal that we may be asking who they are and why they're there and having them validate their identity.
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In most jurisdictions, including mine, you are required by law to identify yourself to a peace officer upon request. You are not required to document that identity such as by carrying papers. There is currently no legal requirement to be able to document on the spot that you are a U.S. citizen or otherwise lawfully present in the country. You may be compelled eventually to do so, but not on the spot.

Andy_Ross said:
KRISTI NOEM: Every single action that our ICE officers take is according to the law and following protocols that we have used for years. They are doing everything correctly
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Blatantly factually false.
 
Andy_Ross said:
They want a war.

Kristi Noem: "We are there. We're doubling down in Minneapolis."
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Correct. Minnesota's governor is calling for de-escalation. The Trump regime isn't interested. They are purposely escalating. I believe they will keep going until they provoke a response that gives the Trump regime cover to invoke the Insurrection Act and attempt to place Minnesota under federal military control.
 
JayUtah said:
These organizations are already forming and in many cases already existed. These are the groups that Trump regime officials are dismissing and decrying as "domestic terrorists."
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I get various texts and emails from democratic politicians and organizations and haven't seen anything from them as far as organizing a general strike or a force to be trained and armed so as to be able to react to and counter illegal use of force from the federal government. I've seen groups and lists to report or respond to ICE sightings but that's more for awareness and observing and not really what I'm thinking of. But maybe I'm just not seeing it. If anyone can link examples that would be great.

As far as the fear of such groups being labeled domestic terrorists or giving Trump an excuse to invoke the insurrection act or Marshall law, he's going to find something as an excuse to do that regardless. I'd much rather have an armed and trained force ready when that comes. Right now we're just getting illegally shot, beaten, home and vehicles broken into before we're dragged away. Having people show up and film and protest is great but as we've seen that doesn't stop it from happening nor does it shame them into toning it down. Quite the opposite and there are no real consequences. Who knows how many people have just disappeared and we know nothing because no one was there or filming every incident.
 
Andy_Ross said:
Of course he is, he's a ball licker.

VARNEY: Are you okay with Trump invoking the Insurrection Act?

JIM JORDAN: This is the president making sure that people are safe

https://twitter.com/x/status/2011837249797657065
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The appropriate reply to such blatantly idiotic non-replies should be:
That's what Kim Jong-Un does as well.

Everything he does is to keep his beloved and starving citizens save. It surely is very save in the streets of Pyongyang. No violence, no thugs, no terrorists, no protesters, no woke, no nothing. Just pure (enforced) safety.
 
Jack by the hedge said:
Yet it still hasn't happened. It must be frustrating for those who unleashed them. Even after they've been assured they can be as cruel as they like and they'll get away with it, still they haven't managed to clumsily provoke a violent backlash. Miller and his ilk must be tearing their metaphorical hair out wondering how to get someone to take violent revenge on their indisciplined stormtroopers.
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Yes, but in the meantime, they are enjoying beating the crap out of Americans just for the fun of it.
 
kookbreaker said:
Your ideas would fill the courts with liability suits and cause much more harm than your beloved shootings would ever prevent but you do you.
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The failure of most in this discussion is that the incident is being argued based on emotion rather than the legal standard pr established facts of the case.

Let me guess... here ICE is seen as a rogue entity that isn't qualified as a legitimate division of law enforcement? It would seem that way if you you have party leadership constantly replacing the word "illegal" with "undocumented" to reference immigrants that donnot have a valid status, and when they constantly refer to immigration enforceras gestapos and neo nazis bent on public executions.

When you think from that state of mind it makes sense why impeding law enforcement, evading detainment, and assault with a deadly weapon (the vehicle) are downplayed as they are. Screw the legal standard in that case.
 
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Protester obstructs and interferes by throwing his eye at "non-lethal" projectile.

SANTA ANA, Calif -- A demonstrator was hit in the face with a projectile fired by a federal officer at close range during a Southern California protest, leaving him bloodied and with serious injuries, according to video and accounts from fellow protesters and family on Tuesday.

The Friday gathering outside the federal immigration building in the city of Santa Ana was in response to the shooting death of Renee Good in Minneapolis by a federal agent, which has kicked off a wave of protests around the country.

Hundreds of people had marched in the streets in Santa Ana until a smaller group was left outside the federal building by evening, shouting expletives through megaphones about Immigration and Customs Enforcement, video showed. At one point, they burned what appeared to be an American flag on the steps of the building while shouting "Justice for Renee Good."

The demonstrators came up onto the plaza, where a handful of agents stood in riot gear and held crowd-control gear. At one point, officials forcefully move a demonstrator back down onto the steps, and the group continues to chant as the agents appear to urge them to move back. Later, an orange cone can be seen rolling up onto the plaza, and officers begin firing munitions as they walk toward the crowd. It is not clear if the cones were thrown and by whom.

The injured demonstrator, identified as 21-year-old Kaden Rummler by his aunt, is seen on video shouting through a megaphone along with others outside the building, where several officers are stationed in riot gear. The officers approached the crowd, then grabbed another demonstrator by the arm, identified in a federal criminal complaint as Katelyn Skye Seitz, pulling them onto the steps.
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