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Transwomen are not Women - Part 15

Pretty much all of them.

We both know exactly what you are going to do. For any view I cite, you're going to say "that's not anti trans, it's pro science/women/reality/whatever. We've done this before. Can we save the bandwidth and just say we've done it already?
"Pretty much all of them" is a cop out, and I take that as indicating that you don't actually know what any of Rowling's views are at all. I suspect that someone else (maybe even a lot of someone elses) told you that Rowling's views are anti trans, and you simply swallowed their interpretation as being accurate. I suspect you've never bothered to find out what Rowling's views are.
 
Richard Cox. He didn't just walk through unlocked doors, he was allowed to walk through unlocked doors, repeatedly. Absent self-ID policies, authorities in Fairfax would have taken action against him to prevent him from doing so. You still haven't come to terms with this reality.
I have, and to you both directly and dear God repeatedly.
Nor is any of this responsive to my question. If there's no distress, then why does it matter if we accommodate them or not? Nothing in this post is actually responsive to that question. "Go along" isn't a reason. Why should I have to go along with their preference, rather than them going along with my preference?
For the same reason you shouldn't (often by law) repeatedly comment on a gay man's sexuality against his wishes, and try to otherwise marginalize him. It doesn't matter what your personal views are. He's a person like the rest of us (IMV, YMMV) and reasonable accommodations are reasonable.
 
"Pretty much all of them" is a cop out, and I take that as indicating that you don't actually know what any of Rowling's views are at all. I suspect that someone else (maybe even a lot of someone elses) told you that Rowling's views are anti trans, and you simply swallowed their interpretation as being accurate. I suspect you've never bothered to find out what Rowling's views are.
As I said, I even double checked her Wiki page and spot checked the citations. She professes exactly what I recall her professing.
 
And true to form, you'd be wrong.

I did double check on her Wiki page to see if she 180ed. No, she still seems to be solidly on your team.
And which of the views that wikipedia tells you are "anti trans" do you agree are anti trans? Just a couple of examples will be fine, I don't need a complete inventory.
 
And which of the views that wikipedia tells you are "anti trans" do you agree are anti trans? Just a couple of examples will be fine, I don't need a complete inventory.
Refer to my earlier prediction and save us the bandwidth.

Eta: you guys are locked on your view. I get it. I'm flexible on mine, and I didn't come here for the endless nitpicking and misrepresentation. I came here to see if there was any room for a nuanced discussion. There isn't. So why do we have to keep Rinsing and Repeating? You want to talk about who's really mentally ill? Who keeps Repeating, expecting a different outcome?

BTW, when you and others were lecturing me about not respecting women, you seem to have overlooked smartcooky's representation of men versus women: males having a dick and bals, and women a 'card swiper and knockers'. Yeah, totally no disrespect for women here.
 
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I have, and to you both directly and dear God repeatedly.
No. You made posts, but NONE of them actually came to terms with the fact that self-ID did in fact enable a sexual predator to enter changing rooms. The thing that never happens, happened.
For the same reason you shouldn't (often by law) repeatedly comment on a gay man's sexuality against his wishes
That's not asking for me to accommodate him, that's asking for him to be left alone. Your inability to understand this distinction is yet another example of how shallow and incoherent your thinking on this entire topic is.
 
You guys seem super intent on discussing Rowling's views. Why don't you just do so instead of trying to bait me?

eta: is it the term 'anti trans' that you are bristling about? I guess that's fair. Most of you are not really 'anti' trans. It's just meant as anti the most extreme views of the TRA side, not being anti trans people. I'll refrain from using it to refer to your side as a collective.
Nobody's trying to bait you. We are, however, trying to get you to actually provide a clear and direct answer. You made the claim that Rowling's views are anti trans. A reasonable person would expect you to be able to actually discuss one of Rowling's views that you find to be anti trans, and explain *why* you think it's anti trans.

You haven't done so. You *never* provide detail or explanation. You make vague assertions then you dip and dodge to avoid having to actually engage with any specificity.
 
She literally said no child is born in the wrong body. That extrapolates pretty inevitably to adults, unless an adult could be born in the wrong body, but not during their childhood? And if 'feels' was the problem, it cant be assessed on anything but the subjective feeling, soooooo...?
Do you believe that a person's mind is magically beamed into their body, and their body is an empty vessel awaiting the installation of mind? Or anything substantially similar to that, on the presumption that you'll object to the specific words I've used rather than the concept embodied by them.
 
No. You made posts, but NONE of them actually came to terms with the fact that self-ID did in fact enable a sexual predator to enter changing rooms. The thing that never happens, happened.
And without self ID policy, what would have happened? Pretty much the same thing. People got rightly freaked and called police. He wouldn't have been charged with Entering the Wrong Rest Room, because such a charge doesn't exist.
That's not asking for me to accommodate him, that's asking for him to be left alone. Your inability to understand this distinction is yet another example of how shallow and incoherent your thinking on this entire topic is.
Left alone. Is that what you think you've been doing ITT for years, leaving them alone?
 
Are you pretending you don't understand people or do you genuinely not? You don't have to agree or accept a theist's beliefs; you just don't need to be a douchebag in rubbing it in their faces. I don't believe you can literally, physically be born in the wrong body, but I understand that it literally feels that way to them. So as someone who tries to be nominally pro-social, I adapt the phraseology in order to communicate non-douchebaggily. You apparently get off on mocking being pro-social. Knock yourself out.
Sometimes you're so weirdly disconnected from the things you argue. Like here - you're either ignorant of or ignoring the context and meaning in which the originating claim was made... and then criticizing the response to that original claim on a false basis.

The actual, real, literal arguments that TPAs make is that some people are *literally* born in the wrong body - they *literally* have a female mind inside of a male body. They use this claim as the basis for their demands: Since Alex was born in the wrong body, it therefore is their body that is wrong and must be fixed. Since Alex was born in the wrong body, everyone must acknowledge that their body is wrong and treat them as if their body matched their mind. Since Alex was born in the wrong body, everyone must respect their mind and give them access to opposite-sex spaces and services.

The fundamental argument being made is that the body is separate from the mind, and that the mind must always be accepted as supreme. That the body is irrelevant, and that any objection to proposed policies that are based around bodily reality and somatic experiences is denying the essential reality of the other person's psychological framework.

Rowling's comment is the same as what you said above in red. It means the exact same thing that you just said. Therefore, you are anti trans.
 
Based on mere preference? No, we don't. I prefer that you accept my views on gender and sex. You don't actually have to.

That's not very nice of you. And you also find the concerns of women who don't like men invading their spaces less than engaging.
Nah, Thermal just thinks we have the "wrong reasons" for objecting to males invading our intimate spaces, services, and sports. That's all. Of course, Thermal won't elaborate on what they believe those "wrong reasons" are... they merely assert that they're wrong.
 
No I'm not. Dysphoria is life altering distress needing medical treatment. A crossed wire that produces no distress is not illness. It's really not that complicated.
What kind of a crossed wire are you imagining here?

In particular... what kind of a crossed wire is involved that requires access to opposite-sex hormones, access to opposite-sex intimate spaces, access to opposite-sex sports, etc. regardless of the impact on the opposite sex do you have in mind that is NOT a mental illness?

If there's no illness involved, then *why* should those demands be accommodated, or even considered?
 
Yes. I'm left handed, and that's benign. Were I demanded to be right handed, and told I was a perv, that would cause me some degree of distress.
Dude, you are OBJECTIVELY, MEASURABLY, OBSERVABLY left handed! Other people outside of your brain can INDEPENDENTLY CORROBORATE that you are left handed.

Do you think that males who have a transgender identity are OBJECTIVELY, MEASURABLY, OBSERVABLY female? Do you think that other people can INDEPENDENTLY CORROBORATE that they are female?
 
I guess this is an impasse point. I accept atypicals, you don't. To you, there is only one holy form of mentally healthy (presumably much like your own self), and any deviation is a put on. I can't get on board with that.
You are wrong in so many ways I don't even know where to start. You're also being intentionally insulting.
 
BTW, when you and others were lecturing me about not respecting women, you seem to have overlooked smartcooky's representation of men versus women: males having a dick and bals, and women a 'card swiper and knockers'. Yeah, totally no disrespect for women here.
Humorous euphemisms aren't disrespectful. I regularly refer to wedding tackle, twig and giggle berries, dangly bits, panty parts, outies, external thermometers, morning sundials, and various other humorous euphemisms for penis and testicles. Similarly, I refer to axe wounds, roast beef sandwiches, man in the boat, wet cat, bearded clam, box, and pink taco in reference to vulvas.
 
She also flatly denies that you can feel as if you were born in the wrong body, which is pretty trans-negating. Basically calling them liars.
Circling back to this, you're wrong. Rowling doesn't deny that someone can feel like they were born in the wrong body; Rowling denies that a person can be born in the wrong body.

She literally said no child is born in the wrong body.
I don't believe you can literally, physically be born in the wrong body
 
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