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Transwomen are not Women - Part 15

There is at least one very obvious answer, though.
Honestly, Strangio's name wouldn't have sprung to my mind in the way that Rowling's would.

Eta: also, the anti trans speakers are far more inflammatory in their position. Pro trans speakers on the public stage are less "you're perverts' and more 'can't we all just get along?'
 
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Some, like Mitchell, are not exactly "unsettled". I mean, an ongoing fight involving various targets is one thing, but being asked about a gender identity and receiving a bullet for the reply (as witnesses testified) is not really 'unsettled' territory. The one witness who had their own experience of mind reading regarding the killer's motivations doesn't really pack much evidentiary punch.
You're assuming that this testimony is an accurate representation of what happened. I don't think that's a safe assumption. Especially when it contradicts other testimony. I don't think any of the testimony can be depended upon.
 
Honestly, Straglio's name wouldn't have sprung to my mind in the way that Rowling's would.
Her fame has almost nothing to do with the topics we discuss here; you'd be hard pressed to find someone who has heard of her because of her activism rather than her books.
 
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You're assuming that this testimony is an accurate representation of what happened. I don't think that's a safe assumption. Especially when it contradicts other testimony. I don't think any of the testimony can be depended upon.
Don't take this the wrong way (and I mean that) but isn't that a convenient way to dismiss any counterpoint?
 
Her fame has almost nothing to do with the topics we discuss here; you'd be hard pressed to find someone who has heard of her because of her activism rather than her books.
Agreed but what I mean is if you asked someone who is a well known public figure with anti trans views, I'd say literally anyone would respond with Rowling immediately. I doubt the same could be said for a pro trans advocate, in terms of widespread name recognition
 
If we're talking about celebs who are famous for things other than activism, it's vastly easier to find ones who support TQ+ rights than those who oppose.
No, we are talking about whose name would spring to mind when you ask who is a leader or outspoken advocate for either side. For pro-trans, the answer would be something like "I dunno... kind of almost every celebrity sort of supports them". For anti, specific names come up.
 
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Don't take this the wrong way (and I mean that) but isn't that a convenient way to dismiss any counterpoint?
We have conflicting witness testimony. We have no way to evaluate either witness's testimony, and no independent means to validate either. That's not always the case. So no, I cannot dismiss any counterpoint that way.
 
We have conflicting witness testimony. We have no way to evaluate either witness's testimony, and no independent means to validate either. That's not always the case. So no, I cannot dismiss any counterpoint that way.
One witness claimed to be mind reading, because the two had words earlier. Multiple witnesses reported the 'Gender?' BANG cause and effect that happened in front of them. I'll take that over 'I feel like he meant to shoot someone else'
 
@d4m10n, have you googled the Informed Consent model for gender affirming jazz? Like, through Planned Parenthood and others? You don't need a diagnosis of dysphoria to take hormones. Since they are potent stuff, they are not sold over the counter at Walgreens, of course, but what gives you the idea that you have to be mentally ill to get on a hormone regimen?
Lol, that's actually kind of the problem. You're right that PP doesn't require any diagnosis of dysphoria. On the other hand, they also don't do any mental health screening at all, and don't see any need to determine whether there might be confounding conditions prior to enabling distressed teens to permanently damage their own bodies. It's negligent and reckless, and I hope they get their pants sued off for malpractice.
 
I doubt whether even Planned Parenthood cares to go quite this far, just yet.

"You might be required to get a formal diagnosis of gender dysphoria to access gender-affirming care." (Link)
Depends on state. A couple of years ago when my 17 year old relative decide they were trans out of the blue, they were given a prescription for testosterone in a single 30 minute meeting, without parental notice, and with absolutely no mental wellness evaluation whatsoever.
 
Honestly, Strangio's name wouldn't have sprung to my mind in the way that Rowling's would.

Eta: also, the anti trans speakers are far more inflammatory in their position. Pro trans speakers on the public stage are less "you're perverts' and more 'can't we all just get along?'
Are you kidding me? I mean, I'll give you that the pro-trans speakers aren't calling the gender critical people perverts, but "can't we all just get along" doesn't exactly jive with Sarah Jane Baker's loudspeaker rallying cry to punch females in the throat if they don't accept males as being females.
 
Agreed but what I mean is if you asked someone who is a well known public figure with anti trans views, I'd say literally anyone would respond with Rowling immediately. I doubt the same could be said for a pro trans advocate, in terms of widespread name recognition
Can you tell me what views Rowling holds that you perceive to be anti trans, specifically?
 
Can you tell me what views Rowling holds that you perceive to be anti trans, specifically?
Pretty much all of them.

We both know exactly what you are going to do. For any view I cite, you're going to say "that's not anti trans, it's pro science/women/reality/whatever. We've done this before. Can we save the bandwidth and just say we've done it already?
 
Are you kidding me? I mean, I'll give you that the pro-trans speakers aren't calling the gender critical people perverts, but "can't we all just get along" doesn't exactly jive with Sarah Jane Baker's loudspeaker rallying cry to punch females in the throat if they don't accept males as being females.
Perfect example! I have no idea at all who that is. See what I mean? The TRAs don't have any household names.
 
Did you... actually read the story?

Of course he didn't!!

"She told a psychiatrist she had stabbed Brianna “repeatedly” and had found it “exciting”, and that she killed her because she thought Brianna would stop being her friend. She murdered Brianna so she would “always be with her”, the court heard."​

That's really messed up, but I don't know how you draw an anti-trans motive from that. The other person said some "transphobic" stuff but there's no indication that the decision for him was motivated by transphobia either.
There is also ZERO indication that any of the people involved were Gender Critical, and I was VERY specific about that in order to head off the sort of crappy, knee-jerk strawmen @angrysoba has posted here!
 
For pro-trans, the answer would be something like "I dunno... kind of almost every celebrity sort of supports them".
As a big fan of The Matrix certain celebrity names come immediately to my mind, but maybe they aren't household names?
 
As a big Doctor Who fan David Tennant and Russell T Davies were the names which immediately came to my mind. The former is surely a household name, at least in the UK.
 

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