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Transwomen are not Women - Part 15

Elaedith said:
I'm guessing he already examined all of Rowling's views except for all of her views, which he refuses to examine because reasons.
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And true to form, you'd be wrong.

I did double check on her Wiki page to see if she 180ed. No, she still seems to be solidly on your team.
 
Thermal said:
And true to form, you'd be wrong.

I did double check on her Wiki page to see if she 180ed. No, she still seems to be solidly on your team.
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True to form, you rely on unsupported slurs that I am frequently wrong, when you have failed to prove that I am wrong about anything. Just as you have failed to demonstrate that any of Rowling's views are anti-trans.
 
Thermal said:
And true to form, you'd be wrong.

I did double check on her Wiki page to see if she 180ed. No, she still seems to be solidly on your team.
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That's a no, then. You don't actually know her views, you only know someone else's opinions about her views.

Furthermore, given that you claim to actually agree with us rather than the TRAs on certain issues, saying she's on our side does not logically mean that all her views are anti trans.
 
You guys seem super intent on discussing Rowling's views. Why don't you just do so instead of trying to bait me?

eta: is it the term 'anti trans' that you are bristling about? I guess that's fair. Most of you are not really 'anti' trans. It's just meant as anti the most extreme views of the TRA side, not being anti trans people. I'll refrain from using it to refer to your side as a collective.
 
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Elaedith said:
True to form, you rely on unsupported slurs that I am frequently wrong, when you have failed to prove that I am wrong about anything.
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Great example! I didn't use a slur, didn't say you were frequently wrong, nor claimed that I had proved anything. You are globally wrong in what you think about me, my positions, and why I hold them (including your recent assessment of 'refusing to examine' Rowling's views).
Elaedith said:
Just as you have failed to demonstrate that any of Rowling's views are anti-trans.
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Wasn't trying to. They stand on their own.
 
d4m10n said:
Her views are anti-trans privilege, though, inasmuch as she opposes creating new civil rights based on self-i.d.
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She also flatly denies that you can feel as if you were born in the wrong body, which is pretty trans-negating. Basically calling them liars.
 
d4m10n said:
As a skeptic, I will take this on faith.
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She literally said no child is born in the wrong body. That extrapolates pretty inevitably to adults, unless an adult could be born in the wrong body, but not during their childhood? And if 'feels' was the problem, it cant be assessed on anything but the subjective feeling, soooooo...?
 
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Thermal said:
She literally saiy no child is born in the wrong body. That extrapolates pretty inevitably to adults, unless an adult could be born in the wrong body, but not during their childhood? And if 'feels' was the problem, it cant be assessed on anything but the subjective feeling, soooooo...?
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Utterly ridiculous. Saying that nobody is born in the wrong body is not saying that nobody can feel as if they are born in the wrong body. You are literally saying that whatever people feel is true has to be accepted by others as true. So if a person feels they have an immortal soul everybody else has to agree that they have a soul which will survive death or you are calling them a liar.
 
Elaedith said:
Utterly ridiculous. Saying that nobody is born in the wrong body is not saying that nobody can feel as if they are born in the wrong body. You are literally saying that whatever people feel is true has to be accepted by others as true. So if a person feels they have an immortal soul everybody else has to agree that they have a soul which will survive death or you are calling them a liar.
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Are you pretending you don't understand people or do you genuinely not? You don't have to agree or accept a theist's beliefs; you just don't need to be a douchebag in rubbing it in their faces. I don't believe you can literally, physically be born in the wrong body, but I understand that it literally feels that way to them. So as someone who tries to be nominally pro-social, I adapt the phraseology in order to communicate non-douchebaggily. You apparently get off on mocking being pro-social. Knock yourself out.
 
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Thermal said:
Are you pretending you don't understand people or do you genuinely not? You don't have to agree or accept a theist's beliefs; you just don't need to be a douchebag in rubbing it in their faces. I don't believe you can literally, physically be born in the wrong body, but I understand that they do believe that. So as someone who tries to be nominally pro-social, I adapt the phraseology in order to communicate non-douchebaggily. You apparently get off on mocking being pro-social. Knock yourself out.
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Nobody here is interested in rubbing it in their faces. All of the confrontation on this issue comes from the TPA side. Resolving the debate over public restrooms by saying they should (continue to) be sex-segregated isn't rubbing anything in anyone's faces.

Also, your entire argument here is special pleading for gender dysphoria. Why don't you have the same "accept and enable" prescription for society, when it comes to other delusional conditions? Do you suggest society play along with paranoid schizophrenia? Factitious disorder?

What is it about this particular delusion - as you yourself agree that it is - that makes you want to play along?
 
theprestige said:
Nobody here is interested in rubbing it in their faces
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Catch up on the thread, my dude.
theprestige said:
. All of the confrontation on this issue comes from the TPA side. Resolving the debate over public restrooms by saying they should (continue to) be sex-segregated isn't rubbing anything in anyone's faces.
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The accompanying commentary and justifications are a-doing quite a bit of rubbing.

{eta- re: 'continue to' be sex segregated: they are not. If they were, I'd happily 'continue' with what they were- vaguely 'dudes here / babes there, sort yourselves out' and no legal penalties for the rare non-conformist, nor for a person reasonably objecting. We are big boys and girls, and can handle it without government stepping in}
theprestige said:
Also, your entire argument here is special pleading for gender dysphoria. Why don't you have the same "accept and enable" prescription for society, when it comes to other delusional conditions? Do you suggest society play along with paranoid schizophrenia? Factitious disorder?
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Not discussing dysphoria. No matter how many times you try to beg the question of being trans over to mental illness, I ain't biting.
theprestige said:
What is it about this particular delusion - as you yourself agree that it is - that makes you want to play along?
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I don't consider it a delusion, any more than being gay or left-handed, or even thinking you are better looking than you are. Just some atypical wiring.

As to the 'why'- I'm trying to be nicer than I am. It's an aspiration.
 
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Thermal said:
Not discussing dysphoria.
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Why not? That's the only version of trans which should actually entitle anyone to any sort of support. In the absence of dysphoria, "trans" is just a preference, and there's absolutely no reason anyone should have to accommodate it in any manner whatsoever, including pronouns.
Thermal said:
As to the 'why'- I'm trying to be nicer than I am. It's an aspiration.
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It's not working. You aren't being in the least bit considerate of women who feel uncomfortable about males invading their intimate spaces.
 
Ziggurat said:
Why not? That's the only version of trans which should actually entitle anyone to any sort of support. In the absence of dysphoria, "trans" is just a preference, and there's absolutely no reason anyone should have to accommodate it in any manner whatsoever, including pronouns.
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So you keep asserting. You do you. I think we have obligations, often legal ones, to be cool to others.
Ziggurat said:
It's not working. You aren't being in the least bit considerate of women who feel uncomfortable about males invading their intimate spaces.
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So you keep asserting. In case you hadn't noticed, I'm finding your repeated proclamations about what I think somewhat less than engaging.
 
Thermal:
Thermal said:
I don't believe you can literally, physically be born in the wrong body, but I understand that it literally feels that way to them.
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Also Thermal:
Thermal said:
Not discussing dysphoria. No matter how many times you try to beg the question of being trans over to mental illness, I ain't biting.

I don't consider it a delusion
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